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Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Other » 18/09/05, 17:29

Hello Phil
Suction in a diesel is only air and the quantity is so high that a little more or a little less does not change much,
the little bit that goes into the reactor is a small percentage compared to the 600 kilos of air per hour that an engine of this displacement can swallow. So 4 or 5 kilos of water + air, in this storm it is negligible.
As for the plugs it is not an obligation you make a different assembly, but once assembled you can no longer go to remove the rod.
Although if the assembly is well done you don’t have to turn it inside
as long as you respect the maximum clearance 1,6mm and minimum 1mm
For a large engine it is preferable 1,5 to 1,6 and a rod of 100mma 120mm the dimensions are not critical, the outlet pipe which goes to the inlet of the turbo must be large enough from 25 to 30mm it must not restriction, restriction must only be between the rod and the reactor
You will notice that on all SPAD assemblies we rarely see a multireactor, there is nothing to observe the output copper pipe, it is always 14mm. I think it goes to the simplest.
You will calculate a large reactor is the equivalent of 2 small in residual area.
Rather takes care of the bubbler and the piping and the suction in front of the turbo, this is where it happens, in the reactor if it receives heat, depression, and gas speed, it always works, even with different dimensions and different materials. .
Andre
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by phil 14 » 18/09/05, 19:10

Hello again André
If I understood you correctly, you suggest me to put only one big reactor ?? but what diameter exactly ??
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by Other » 18/09/05, 19:54

Hello
A rod between 19 and 25 mm is considered a large reactor
the reactor tube must be 3mm longer than the rod to reach a set of 1,5mm. You take what you find in the trade, and you adapt ..
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by phil 14 » 18/09/05, 23:09

Good evening André

A rod between 19 and 25 mm is considered a large reactor
the reactor tube must be 3mm longer than the rod to reach a set of 1,5mm. You take what you find in the trade, and you adapt ..
Andre
CALCULATION
tube diameter: 23 mm 415 mm2
rod diameter: 20 mm 314 mm2
difference: 101

tube diameter: 18 mm 254 mm2
rod diameter: 15 mm 176 mm2
difference: 78 mm2

tube diameter: 28 mm 615 mm2
rod diameter: 25 mm 490 mm2
difference: 125 mm2

Perhaps it is necessary to provide the rod 120mm long rather than 100mm on a large reactor since we are just inside the reactor volume compared to the assembly of 2 small.

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by Other » 19/09/05, 03:17

Hello reply to phil14
I note that I forgot to specify that when we use small rods 10 or 12mm the clearance is 1mm or less, in the calculation in section for large diameters with a clearance of 1,5 it makes a difference,

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by phil 14 » 21/09/05, 17:31

Hello André
I found stainless steel scraps to make my big reactor:
- 1 rod diameter 25 mm
- 1 reinforced stainless steel tube, internal diameter 28 mm
and thickness 3 mm. is it not too thick to heat up. The exhaust gas temperature is around 550 degrees.
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by Other » 21/09/05, 19:52

Hello Phil
for the thickness of the reactor tube it is preferable, practical question that it is of this thickness, less problem to weld it, as it is a constant speed motor the temperature will eventually pass through the wall
When you are going to weld on the exhaust, push an iron rod or a tight pipe in it, place where you are going to weld it prevents the shrinking, of the stainless steel pipe because of the welding it will save you from passing the file after, don't forget to take it off when it's still hot, sanas what you're going to fight with.
550c is a song for this material.
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by phil 14 » 02/10/05, 10:06

Bonjour à tous
Here is the plan of the diameter 25 reactor that I have planned for the 365 hp engine of the GE
What do you think???
It is 30 cm from the collector after the turbo ????
I chose the easy solution because this section of the hose is dismounted at each end.
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by phil 14 » 08/10/05, 23:25

good evening everyone
Having no answer, I feel a little concerned by a post from a member of the forum who said that some asked for more information than he did to advance research on the pantone process.
It is true that I have asked a lot of questions lately and I take this opportunity to thank André among others for all the advice he gave me.
Having only had time to make a bubbler, I thought it would bring nothing new by showing it in a photo.
I think I will have more time available this winter to finish my first assembly on my tractor. As soon as it is finished I will put some photos as well as the results obtained.
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