Pantone and ultrasound

[marc91]

Hello

I read a lot of documents on pantone systems with bubbler and reactor mounted on the exhaust.
I have a suggestion to make, why not use an ultrasonic fogger (inexpensive) to produce an ultra fine mist instead of the classic bubbler?
we should (in theory) get a better return

anyone tried?

[Flytox]

Hello

I read a lot of documents on pantone systems with bubbler and reactor mounted on the exhaust.
I have a suggestion to make, why not use an ultrasonic fogger (inexpensive) to produce an ultra fine mist instead of the classic bubbler?
we should (in theory) get a better return

anyone tried?

This has already been tried on several vehicles, bad luck, the testers have very little documented / illustrated their results. There may be a problem with the amount of "vaporized" water, you need several of these misters ... for a low water flow overall / compared to a "traditional" Gillier Pantone assembly.

Some did this assembly without a reactor leading directly into the admission, again not sufficiently documented to get an idea.

[elephant]

Although I know nothing about engines, I also think that the failure of the attempts explains the non-publication of the tests.

I think that, particularly because of the law on the conservation of energy, there is no common measure between the energy that can be taken from an exhaust to generate steam and that which can bring a device at US. Certainly 10 X less.

[marc91]

Although I know nothing about engines, I also think that the failure of the attempts explains the non-publication of the tests.

I think that, particularly because of the law on the conservation of energy, there is no common measure between the energy that can be taken from an exhaust to generate steam and that which can bring a device at US. Certainly 10 X less.

I did not think to replace the exhaust system, but to mount the fogger in the water jar of the bubbler.
12V consumption of a fogger with level contact (stop if the water level is too low) 30w envir (data manufacturer), it is simply to increase the water content of the air arriving at reactor!

[oli 80]

Good evening, it seems that I saw something here
https://www.econologie.com/forums/generateur ... 68-20.html an old subject a kind of ultrasonic fogger

[marc91]

Good evening, it seems that I saw something here
https://www.econologie.com/forums/generateur ... 68-20.html an old subject a kind of ultrasonic fogger

I found this on this post:

Hello,
It seems to me that I ramble, we talked a lot about the fogger
my first tests date back to 2 years with a home ultrasonic humidifier.
This spring I bought one of the Company LAGUNA (Fogger) it is used to make the external water pool mist, I did not test on the vehicle. it works in 24volts DC a supplie power is sold with, as I have a relatively easy inverter
The temperature of the water must be between 10c and 35c the minimum level 45mm
Its faults it sprays 200mll on time when I tested it in a bucket of water, it makes fog if there is good level over the pellet too much water, it is little fog, not enough From the water a column of water comes out of the capsule, it stops automatically if the level is too low.
It is necessary to put distilled or demineralized water the ceramic has a rather limited life according to the hardness of the water.
The one I used on one engine (see pictures on the other forum) is ajudtable with a power control it vaporizes
Nearly 500cc, at the time of sale, a lot of people get rid of these humidifiers at the flea market, because in use it leaves a white dust on the furniture and because it needs distilled water. This model had a windshield, a level controlled reevoir and an outlet for the mist, it is a little big under a hood and it all plastic ... But it only cost me 10 $
used to do tests ... it's excellent.
Small note with this system I found that the stem became white in the warm part, while with gasoline it is rather black blue gun (weapon)
If you just have the piezo element, you have to make the accessories that go with it. Controlled level vat and ventillation the mist tends to stick to the surface.
Be careful not to touch the top of the colone of water it pecks the fingers l ultra son, it blew the paint on a small room placed in the jet of water.

[bidouille23]

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In hydroponics there are also "hydroponic foggers".

http://www.aliexpress.com/price/mister-maker-price.html

http://www.1-hydroponics.co.uk/miscella ... fogger.htm

http://www.hhydro.com/Nutramist-Aeropon ... arden.html

it gives an idea of ​​the possible production on time, for example for the last link it is said: 11 ounce / hour of solution transformed into fog, so 311 gr of water / hour
(good the price in really not nice on the other hand )

[marc91]

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In hydroponics there are also "hydroponic foggers".

http://www.aliexpress.com/price/mister-maker-price.html

http://www.1-hydroponics.co.uk/miscella ... fogger.htm

http://www.hhydro.com/Nutramist-Aeropon ... arden.html

it gives an idea of ​​the possible production on time, for example for the last link it is said: 11 ounce / hour of solution transformed into fog, so 311 gr of water / hour
(good the price in really not nice on the other hand )

Hello

so for you it's too anecdotal to have a real influence on a pantone system?

[Flytox]

Apparently the ultrasonic solution which makes a mist "fine", cold and "calibrated in diameter of droplets" in "modest" quantity is not sufficient to solve all the problems. It is not a bad solution in itself, it just lacks proof that it can work for a Pantone with good results with such and such type of assembly etc ...

[elephant]

300 gr of water / hour, it seems tiny: it is to replace at least one or two liters of fuel and oxidizer per hour.

What is in 300 gr of water: 20 grams of hydrogen?