"Water in Gasoil" documentary on water injection, car manufacturers know!

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by gildas » 11/05/19, 00:04

this is very convincing arguments:
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Already more than 4 YEARS (2013) => A consumption increased to 11.5 L instead of 15 & 14 L / 100 KM on a Vito Sprinter V6 CDI ... @ Hybrid4all
"Crazy thing, Your Process !!! ...", Hybride4All.com
A gain in consumption of 2.5 to 3 L / 100 KM, Improved performance, I really enjoyed downshifting and tickling the engine which responded immediately with a net gain in torque, not to mention that I barely consumed 1 stroke of water on the jar on the Last 450 KM
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This is a kit inspired by the Gillier-Pantone similar to the one seen in the video "Water in the Gas-oil"
It is installed on a high-tech engine compared to the engine of Antoine Gillier's tractor ...

And Mr. Cascarino does not talk about the failures that will be avoided: Particulate filter, EGR valve, Turbo, valves, heads of probes and injectors, intake, etc, etc ... which cleans and will not clog ...

Monster pollution avoided : Shock:
Engine approval + 1000! Gain in torque, flexibility and less engine noise.

I just have a doubt about the proper functioning of the catalyst.

PS: I'm not the one selling these kits
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by Janic » 11/05/19, 07:18

great enthusiasm that we find in users who have made similar observations. But beware, it seems that it is not scientifically scientific! : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by thibr » 11/05/19, 08:24

it's like homeopathy : Mrgreen:
it works just believe it : Wink:
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by Janic » 11/05/19, 10:04

it's like homeopathy : Mrgreen:
it works just believe it : Wink:
in the same way as everything related to humans, including allopathy therefore, which also works only on subjectivity. Except in mechanics which is the very example of the rational which wants to be non-subjective. So: either there are measurable differences or not, under the same conditions of use!
For example, the tests on the NEDC bench which do not correspond to any real driving condition and which allowed traffic flow on consumption in order to make people believe that there was a real drop in pollution and bypassed by manufacturers. And replaced by the more realistic WLTP, but still also made to minimize polluting productions as in maximum regime, for example.
https://www.largus.fr/actualite-automob ... 10393.html
However, in this case, it is in real conditions of use that the users of these processes have been able to measure sensitive and not subjective differences when a farmer, who knows his machines perfectly well, who notices significant reductions in consumption, for that it is not enough to believe it, it is the fuel pump which confirms it.
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by Janic » 11/05/19, 17:55

http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/Gilli ... 5herve.htm

over 5.500 km in difficult conditions

Consumption
334 liters of GO for 5558 Km

or 6 L / 100km on average, on a course including:

highway / cities / plains / mountains 1600 alt / sand

It is interesting to compare these results with the conventional consumption figures provided in the Peugeot manual for this car, which indicates:

Urban circuit: 10.9 L / 100 km
Speed ​​stabilized at 90km: 8 l / 100 km
At 120km: 10.4 l / 100 km
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by thibr » 11/05/19, 21:33

https://www.auto-data.net/fr/peugeot-50 ... -75hp-5510
I cannot find the same figures for the manufacturer data : Mrgreen:
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Fuel consumption - urban cycle
9.3 l / 100 km.
Fuel consumption - extra-urban cycle
6.4 l / 100 km.
Fuel consumption - combined cycle
9 l / 100 km.
Type of fuel
Diesel
Acceleration 0 - 100 km / h
18 sec
Maximum speed
152 km/h

and even a little less here
https://www.ultimatespecs.com/fr/car-sp ... --GRD.html
Consumption - Compound: - L / 100km
Consumption - Extra Urban: 6.2 L / 100km
Consumption - Highway: 8.6 L / 100km
Consumption - In the city: 8.4 L / 100km
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by izentrop » 12/05/19, 00:55

Do not break thibr, everything on the Quanthomme.free site comes from unverifiable testimony, no credibility, no scientific value and a lot of self-persuasion from experimenters. : Mrgreen:
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by izentrop » 12/05/19, 02:28

If you drive like a potato, you can save 20% : Wink: Although 2000 rpm ... fouling ??
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by gildas » 12/05/19, 08:23

thibr wrote:https://www.auto-data.net/fr/peugeot-505-551a-2.5-diesel-75hp-5510
I cannot find the same figures for the manufacturer data : Mrgreen:
Our Service
Fuel consumption - urban cycle
9.3 l / 100 km.
Fuel consumption - extra-urban cycle
6.4 l / 100 km.
Fuel consumption - combined cycle
9 l / 100 km.
Type of fuel
Diesel
Acceleration 0 - 100 km / h
18 sec
Maximum speed
152 km/h

and even a little less here
https://www.ultimatespecs.com/fr/car-sp ... --GRD.html
Consumption - Compound: - L / 100km
Consumption - Extra Urban: 6.2 L / 100km
Consumption - Highway: 8.6 L / 100km
Consumption - In the city: 8.4 L / 100km

It would be astonishing that with measurements as precise on a course of more than 5000 km as the guy from the 505 is made such a mistake! There were 2 diesel versions of the 505, the guy may have had the 504 Diesel engine: https://minute-auto.fr/guide/voitures-a ... eugeot-505 “On the Diesel, the 2 cm2 Indénor XD304 engine was subjected to significant stress on the 3, which was heavier and faster than the 505: it rarely reached 504 km without requiring major interventions, on the cylinder head gasket, the injection, or even the shaft line.



It was replaced by the 3cc XD2 in 498 (from serial number 3 1982). "
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by Janic » 12/05/19, 08:52

@tibr

https://www.auto-data.net/fr/peugeot-505-551a-2.5-diesel-75hp-5510

I cannot find the same figures for the manufacturer data : Mrgreen:
Our Service
Fuel consumption - urban cycle
9.3 l / 100 km.
Fuel consumption - extra-urban cycle
6.4 l / 100 km.
Fuel consumption - combined cycle
9 l / 100 km.

and even a little less here
https://www.ultimatespecs.com/fr/car-sp ... --GRD.html



you should not ignore that these figures, at steady speed, are given for a new vehicle, leaving the chains, with only one person on board and without luggage. So I guess you have already noticed that between an empty car and a loaded one consumption varies a lot.
So compare these figures in ideal conditions and the case cited which is far from it for a vehicle from 1984, therefore having 23 years of age and 234.000 km, original engine. Who says better ?
However, despite this, its consumption and low pollution also explodes these manufacturer data.
This is why I preferred to indicate a case outside favorable conditions, if you had the curiosity to view its experimentation.

For the fly of the tick which hardly has to know how to open a bonnet and confuse the windscreen washer jar with the coolant jar, it is interesting to read that it takes everyone, except him obviously, for liars, even though he went master in this discipline.
So Christophe, our Christophe, would have no credibility, no scientific training (but an engineer is already not bad) and that he is suffering from weakness of mind, persuading himself of what he has experienced and verified on place until filing a patent on this technique. Ouhhh the draw !!!! : Evil: : roll:
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