Eco-water: an engine water injection kit GP more!

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by izentrop » 15/11/18, 18:32

Christophe wrote:He just repeats what he was kindly taught in engineering school, without any risk ... but he still pretends to be an "expert" of the "water engine"? Waaw respect :)
I think he knows his subject well https://ecosociete.org/livres/airvore
https://www.francebleu.fr/emissions/pla ... transports
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by Janic » 15/11/18, 20:34

this does not prove a particular and experimental knowledge on water injection unlike Christophe who HIM got his hands on the dough, as did all the other experimenters.
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by izentrop » 15/11/18, 23:52

Christophe wrote:He could have had the time to learn about the wet combustion, the publication of GDF was published, all the same, at the beginning of the 2000 years: understanding water-injection / combustion-wet-explanations-by-remi-guillet-t5794-40.html # p347187
Guillet demonstrates that it improves fuel combustion efficiency with water and does not contradict the fact that water is not a fuel.
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by Janic » 16/11/18, 07:22

castégnède says "water behaves like a fuel" l
The confusion comes from the meaning given to words in their context. In a boiler, steam creates pressure. Whereas in a water injection engine, this is not under pressure and does not intervene indirectly as with a boiler, but directly in the combustion chamber. Same thing with the argument that water Cold promotes the increase of air necessary for combustion, while steam has an opposite effect and its action increases the energy availability provided by this vaporized water, which is an apparent nonsense unless we consider that the process induced by this water does not obey the criteria usually recognized in thermal.
The consumption reduction figures observed experimentally demonstrate that between theory and reality there is a gap to be crossed without a priori.
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by izentrop » 16/11/18, 11:01

Janic wrote: the argument that cold water helps increase the air needed for combustion,
The density of air increases when its temperature drops, so the quantity of oxygen increases at the intake.
while steam has an opposite effect and its action increases the energy availability provided by this vaporized water
Provided there is a device to recover it like the condensing boiler in low temperature heating but has no action in a heat engine or the temperature recovered must be too low to enter the Carnot cycle of an engine with combustion.
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by Janic » 16/11/18, 12:44

while steam has an opposite effect and its action increases the energy availability provided by this vaporized water

Provided there is a device to recover it like the condensing boiler in low temperature heating but has no action in a heat engine or the temperature recovered must be too low to enter the Carnot cycle of an engine with combustion.
instead of theorizing on different mechanisms, roll up your sleeves and check for yourself even if it works (as the testimonies show) or not.
Or examine all the abundant literature on the subject and therefore, among others, that of Christophe.
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by GuyGadebois » 24/07/19, 21:43

izentrop wrote:For those who still believe in it ...

It is not a matter of belief, but it works and it is measurable.
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by Janic » 25/07/19, 07:51

It is not a matter of belief, but it works and it is measurable.
you will waste your time trying to demonstrate, even with the numbers in hand, that it works. This character is sir I doubt everything except myself! And the less he knows, the more he dogmatizes behind a fallacious " it has not been scientifically demonstrated that .... ". Good luck therefore!
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by GuyGadebois » 25/07/19, 15:36

Janic wrote:
It is not a matter of belief, but it works and it is measurable.
you will waste your time trying to demonstrate, even with the numbers in hand, that it works. This character is sir I doubt everything except myself! And the less he knows, the more he dogmatizes behind a fallacious " it has not been scientifically demonstrated that .... ". Good luck therefore!

I thought I understood ... He is pro nuclear, pro vaccine, pro gmo, anti homeopathy, pro glyphosate, climatosceptic, anti wind turbine ... a textbook case!
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by Gébé » 25/07/19, 17:52

As his opinions are generally documented, I do not think he is climatosceptic ....? But it may have escaped me.
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