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Pantone engine chemical reaction
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Hello,
There must be a much simpler explanation!
What we do know is that a (certain small) amount of water improves combustion.
There are two things to study separately the engine and the panton
It would be necessary to know what does, the humid air in the engine and know why it takes a very precise dosage on the engine explosion and more tolerant on the diesel (which explains why the pantoneux arrives more easily to make the adjustments on a diesel !
We must also compare the systems (VIX and other) which have no reactor made by this water vapor in the engine ...
we must also ask the question about the role of the rod, versus a multi-reactor very small 3,2 mm tube.
We must also ask ourselves the question why when we increase the diameter of the reactor we have difficulties.
We must also ask the question why Chambrin gave so much trouble to build a spiral inlet (complicated to realize) and why he made a small air inlet on the end of the reactor? and he ionizes at the end of the reactor while we try to ionize in front of the reactor.
Andre
There must be a much simpler explanation!
What we do know is that a (certain small) amount of water improves combustion.
There are two things to study separately the engine and the panton
It would be necessary to know what does, the humid air in the engine and know why it takes a very precise dosage on the engine explosion and more tolerant on the diesel (which explains why the pantoneux arrives more easily to make the adjustments on a diesel !
We must also compare the systems (VIX and other) which have no reactor made by this water vapor in the engine ...
we must also ask the question about the role of the rod, versus a multi-reactor very small 3,2 mm tube.
We must also ask ourselves the question why when we increase the diameter of the reactor we have difficulties.
We must also ask the question why Chambrin gave so much trouble to build a spiral inlet (complicated to realize) and why he made a small air inlet on the end of the reactor? and he ionizes at the end of the reactor while we try to ionize in front of the reactor.
Andre
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Andre wrote:...................
We must also ask the question why Chambrin gave so much trouble to build a spiral inlet (complicated to realize) and why he made a small air inlet on the end of the reactor? and he ionizes at the end of the reactor while we try to ionize in front of the reactor.
Andre
I had not noticed this air intake!
on the other hand, on the Fr (75) patent, it chocks the gas with 24V spark plugs ... good note
otherwise at the start he mounted the reactor in a concentric tube ... he patented this system (in 81-82) before patenting the colimasson!
as he explains it is to improve the heat exchange and therefore the compression of the vapor because the volume, finally the passage section remains the same as the gas goes towards the center and therefore s' heated....
otherwise I did not understand its improvement in terms of the exhaust => there are gases which pass through the middle of the reactor and a part which arrives directly in the enclosure where the colimasson is placed ... and he says that it is is for problems of regulation of exhaust gas pressures according to the mode ... well there I did not understand well
could you light my lantern!?!
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lio74 wrote:I had not noticed this air intake!
We can compare to 100% pantone, since all the fuel mixture passes through its reactor
therefore, as an "energetic" reaction is supposed to take place, not to say "endothermic", it turns out that the gas mixture becomes too rich (like a 100% pantone whose petrol content can be reduced): here it is does the opposite: it increases the air
(well, that's what I think according to my logic, Chambrin confables it, wrongly or rightly, as REACTIVE)
lio74 wrote:on the other hand, on the Fr (75) patent, it chocks the gas with 24V spark plugs ... good note
it is on the 74 patent, on the 75, it is the "spiral" which is supposed to do ionization, the THT transformer becomes an option, recommended only for starting or if the engine is isolated from the sun (it is is marked sun on the 82 patent instead of sol, I think)
lio74 wrote:otherwise I did not understand its improvement in terms of the exhaust => there are gases which pass through the middle of the reactor and a part which arrives directly in the enclosure where the colimasson is placed ... and he says that it is is for problems of regulation of exhaust gas pressures according to the mode ... well there I did not understand well
could you light my lantern!?!
Apparently it is direct recycling of the exhaust gases. in the admissions circuit, like a pantone which bubbles with the ech., but here it is to recover more heat for the reactor (old EGR valve) (the evolution of current EGR valves is to cool the recycled exhaust gases in an additional exchanger: to be able to recycle more and reduce the combustion T °)
bolt
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Hello,
I don't think he does exhaust gas recycling.
it uses the exhaust gases at their highest temperature at the end of the reactor then before entering the reactor, the exhaust gases heat the inlet of the colimacon, the colimacon is to make a progressive reheating and induce a movement, which panton neglected in its assembly by making a direct entry,
Only the heating plug is used for starting, the high voltage rectified is used to permanently ionize during operation.
Main problem if we put the ionization at the reactor inlet, the wet insulators become conductive and at the outlet it poses less problem and with the tests I did it is at the reactor outlet that it must be (Chambrin was right), although it takes a fairly large room and away from the mass otherwise it will bow ..
It should not be forgotten that this engine worked with a mixture of alcohol and water, the small air intake is not used to adjust the richness, it causes a sort of oxidation in what comes out of the reactor.
the richness he had the possibility of adjusting with his (old Dodge carburetor) the hole was small and fixed .. while the water alcohol mixture often varied according to the tests
Chambrin tried to make something compact, panton did much the same thing but more simplified online,
in my experimental setup I made a 700mm long reactor with a 200mm rod, the long anteroom heated in front with the residual heat from the reactor, does the same role as the colimacon. With such an assembly we absorb more than half of the exhaust temperature, and for me if we find nowhere this heat it can only be in the driving force.
with this assembly we manage to run an alcohol water engine in maximum proportions 40% water and 60% alcohol but a loss of power on the engine. I did not push the measures.
but for a total energy on a generator (running time with a volume of fuel the gain was low with a lot of water) it was already at this moment that I understood that a small amount of water was needed in the alcohol . Although other parameters come into play we can not draw conclusions as easily, especially in a 100% panton engine or we pass a mixture of alcohol and water, I think that alcohol and water should not pass in the same carburetor is two liquids that have different properties for vaporizing and in a small engine like the one I tested, the heat collapses quite quickly if there is too much water.
Andre
I don't think he does exhaust gas recycling.
it uses the exhaust gases at their highest temperature at the end of the reactor then before entering the reactor, the exhaust gases heat the inlet of the colimacon, the colimacon is to make a progressive reheating and induce a movement, which panton neglected in its assembly by making a direct entry,
Only the heating plug is used for starting, the high voltage rectified is used to permanently ionize during operation.
Main problem if we put the ionization at the reactor inlet, the wet insulators become conductive and at the outlet it poses less problem and with the tests I did it is at the reactor outlet that it must be (Chambrin was right), although it takes a fairly large room and away from the mass otherwise it will bow ..
It should not be forgotten that this engine worked with a mixture of alcohol and water, the small air intake is not used to adjust the richness, it causes a sort of oxidation in what comes out of the reactor.
the richness he had the possibility of adjusting with his (old Dodge carburetor) the hole was small and fixed .. while the water alcohol mixture often varied according to the tests
Chambrin tried to make something compact, panton did much the same thing but more simplified online,
in my experimental setup I made a 700mm long reactor with a 200mm rod, the long anteroom heated in front with the residual heat from the reactor, does the same role as the colimacon. With such an assembly we absorb more than half of the exhaust temperature, and for me if we find nowhere this heat it can only be in the driving force.
with this assembly we manage to run an alcohol water engine in maximum proportions 40% water and 60% alcohol but a loss of power on the engine. I did not push the measures.
but for a total energy on a generator (running time with a volume of fuel the gain was low with a lot of water) it was already at this moment that I understood that a small amount of water was needed in the alcohol . Although other parameters come into play we can not draw conclusions as easily, especially in a 100% panton engine or we pass a mixture of alcohol and water, I think that alcohol and water should not pass in the same carburetor is two liquids that have different properties for vaporizing and in a small engine like the one I tested, the heat collapses quite quickly if there is too much water.
Andre
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Andre wrote:Main problem if we put the ionization at the reactor inlet, the damp insulators become conductive and at the outlet it poses less problem and with the tests I did it is at the reactor outlet that it must be (Chambrin was right)
very interesting all that ....
the additional return of escape gas is to heat the outside tower of the colimasson + to maintain a certain pressure throughout the exhaust pipe to avoid power losses when there is too much water ...
Andre wrote:in my experimental setup I made a 700mm long reactor with a 200mm rod, the long anteroom heated in front with the residual heat from the reactor, does the same role as the colimacon.
this is a little bit what my calculation grid should help me with ... the exchange exchange values!
Andre wrote:it was already then that I understood that a small amount of water in alcohol was needed. Although other parameters come into play we can not draw conclusions as easily, especially in a 100% panton engine or we pass a mixture of alcohol and water, I think that alcohol and water should not pass in the same carburetor is two liquids that have different properties for vaporizing and in a small engine like the one I tested, the heat collapses quite quickly if there is too much water.
Andre
exactly too much water this is a point that gets stuck on the direct reactor (pantone) but on the colimasson the patent says 100% water !!!
I say a small part of fuel 5% max to have a last calorific contribution for the gas in the chamber of the piston ...
Finally there is enough to stir the neurons on it
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"To do something is expensive, to do nothing will cost much more." Koffie Annan
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
Bolt wrote:..............
(well, that's what I think according to my logic, Chambrin confables it, wrongly or rightly, as REACTIVE)
..................
Apparently it is direct recycling of the exhaust gases. in the admissions circuit, like a pantone which bubbles with the ech., but here it is to recover more heat for the reactor (old EGR valve) (the evolution of current EGR valves is to cool the recycled exhaust gases in an additional exchanger: to be able to recycle more and reduce the combustion T °)
bolt
yeah interesting too .. not of the same opinion as André !!! I hesitated to think kom toi ... but in the philosophy of the system I think that the gases do not bubble !!! but rather heat the outside turn which has the opposite effect of the EGR => we heat the intake gases .... the stupid manufacturers ... they make an additional exchanger but not as it should, they cool the exhaust gases for re-injection
these different points of view (bolt + andre) helped me well ... it all overlaps but leaves from a different angle of view.
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"To do something is expensive, to do nothing will cost much more." Koffie Annan
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
Re: Pantone engine chemical reaction
Kyubi wrote:Hello everyone,
I am in class of 1st S and as subject of TPE (Framed Personal Works), I decided to talk about the Pantone engine.
before wanting and being able to know perfectly the chemical reaction in the reactor, I think you can focus on the 4th state of matter: plasma:
-> these training conditions
-> its charge density (by the way I saw a super diagram on the forum... but where ... I will see)
-> its power to break molecules
good luck with your research !
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"To do something is expensive, to do nothing will cost much more." Koffie Annan
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
next species endangered: Man ... and it will be good for him !!!
MAN IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLLUTION NATURAL!
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