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Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by gegyx » 09/11/07, 20:06

Antoine Gillier simplified and improved the Pantone ...

Long live the PANTOINE ...
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by the middle » 09/11/07, 20:07

gegyx wrote:Antoine Gillier simplified and improved the Pantone ...

Long live the PANTOINE ...

Pretty : Cheesy:
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by gegyx » 09/11/07, 21:05

We can do more spectacular:

LEPANTOINAQUEU X ...

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by Cuicui » 09/11/07, 21:52

First draft quickly made:
In 2000 the American inventor Paul Pantone published on the Net the diagram of a device supposed to revolutionize the operation of internal combustion engines. Part of the exhaust gas is injected into the tank containing 40% petrol and 60% water or various liquids (orange juice, coca-cola, etc.). The bubbles release a gas which passes through a tube containing a steel rod, itself placed in the exhaust pipe, the whole being called "reactor". The hot gases leaving the reactor arrive directly at the engine intake, the carburetor being removed. A starter kick and the engine purrs! A solution to the oil shortage? Unfortunately, we had to be disillusioned: very little water was consumed. The bubbler simply extracts the petrol vapors. When there is not enough gas, the engine breaks down ... dry!
In 2001 the Frenchman Antoine Gillier had the idea of ​​replacing the water-fuel mixture of the bubbler with water. The normal fuel supply is maintained, the intake additionally sucks the water vapor leaving the reactor. Paul Pantone is skeptical. But the results are spectacular on the diesel engines of agricultural tractors: increase in power, fuel economy (for one liter of water consumed, 2 liters of diesel saved) and above all engine clean-up without costly particle filter! Water injection, a technique as old as the internal combustion engine, has become "steam injection". The Gillier-Pantone (or G Pantone) system has been copied and marketed under the name Spad, Vulcano, etc. Other inventors have successfully replaced the bubbler with a much simpler steam generator.
Nowadays, ill-informed researchers are still trying to make 100% Pantone systems work as best they can, while the effectiveness of the Gillier-Pantone assembly is demonstrated by numerous achievements on various vehicles.
see:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/GillierAntoine.htm
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by Other » 10/11/07, 03:30

Hello

That one calls the system as one wants one will always undergo criticism and one will be taxed of deception ect.


The basis of our assemblies, when we make a tube with a rod,
it is panton which draw it for us, despite the fact that the use is different, that some make small tube assemblies without rods
it may look like Chambrin.
but with hindsight, Chambrin has suffered the same criticisms, on its system, which does approximately the same thing, in a more complex, but probably more efficient way, especially on the rise in temperature of the reactor, we have a lot to learn from its system ..
whatever name we give we will not escape criticism.
The common name is (water doping) which is a derivative of 100% panton, it is not an injection of water or steam.

What hurts us the most is the overestimation of the results of some, that it has increased consumption before, or other measure non-rigorously.
most of the assemblies, very few do long continuous tests, ie journeys of 300 and 500 km in one go.
If the measurements are well done, a 200km trip is enough.
the margin of error (measurement) is greater on a vehicle that consumes little on a short journey.
It takes almost 4 to 5 minutes to properly fill an overflowing foam tank in diesel.
One thing is certain, the system has limits and we know that it will not work only with water, even that too much water there is no gain,
I think that saying that 1 liter of water consumed approximately translates into a saving of 2 liters of diesel should not lead to confusion, it is true, some will think that it is enough to simply consume more water and that the savings will follow, The water consumption is directly proportional to the power requested from the engine.

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by Cuicui » 10/11/07, 09:27

Andre wrote:some will think that it is enough simply to consume more water and that the savings will follow.
Andre

Thank you, André, for the remark.
1 liter of water = 2 liters of diesel consumed can actually lead to confusion. I am removing this passage which is not necessary at this level of information.
The aim of the article is to avoid misconceptions about "Pantone" and to indicate the links which give details: Quant'homme, Chambrin, les forums Econology with your remarkable interventions, Camel1 site, Pitmix (if they agree) etc ...
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by Cuicui » 10/11/07, 09:27

PANTONE reactor
In 2000 the American inventor Paul Pantone published on the Net the diagram of a device supposed to revolutionize the operation of internal combustion engines. Part of the exhaust gas is injected into the tank containing 40% petrol and 60% water or various liquids (orange juice, coca-cola, etc.). The bubbles release a gas which passes through a tube containing a steel rod, itself placed in the exhaust pipe, the whole being called "reactor". The hot gases leaving the reactor arrive directly at the engine intake, the carburetor being removed. A starter stroke and the engine purrs without polluting! A solution to the oil shortage? Alas, even if a little water is consumed, the bubbler mainly extracts gasoline vapors. When there is not enough gas, the engine breaks down ... dry!
In 2001 the Frenchman Antoine Gillier had the idea of ​​replacing the water-fuel mixture of the bubbler with water. The water vapor leaving the reactor is sucked in at the inlet in addition to the normal fuel coming from the carburetor or injectors. Paul Pantone is skeptical. But the results are spectacular: increase in power, fuel economy and above all pollution control of the engine without expensive particle filter! Water injection, a technique as old as the internal combustion engine, has thus become "vapor suction". The Gillier-Pantone (or G Pantone) system has been copied and marketed under the name Spad, Vulcano, etc. Other inventors have successfully replaced the bubbler by a simple steam generator (GV) placed in the exhaust.
Nowadays, researchers are still trying to make 100% Pantone systems work as best they can, while the effectiveness of the Gillier-Pantone assembly has been demonstrated, in particular on diesel engines. see:

http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/GillierAntoine.htm
What do you think ? Modify whatever you want, add the links that are fine, I'm too lazy to look for them.
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by crispus » 10/11/07, 16:27

Hi Cuicui,
Nice synthesis. A downside for
The Gillier-Pantone system (or G Pantone) was copied and marketed under the name of Spad, Vulcano

After "copied", will add "More or less good", since the 2 "registered trademarks" mentioned are far from unanimous.

Concerning the SPAD, some of the tractors equipped for payment do not derive much benefit from it ... And the famous "Alberic" promoter of the second does more harm to the process than Pantone!
Arrest me if i'm wrong :?:
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by Cuicui » 10/11/07, 16:51

Crispus wrote:Hi Cuicui,
Nice synthesis. A downside for
The Gillier-Pantone system (or G Pantone) was copied and marketed under the name of Spad, Vulcano

After "copied", will add "More or less good", since the 2 "registered trademarks" mentioned are far from unanimous.

Concerning the SPAD, some of the tractors equipped for payment do not derive much benefit from it ... And the famous "Alberic" promoter of the second does more harm to the process than Pantone!
Arrest me if i'm wrong :?:

Thank you Crispus, it's saved. I propose :
The Gillier-Pantone (or G Pantone) has been more or less well copied: water reserve, bubbler and reactor integrated in the same box, fairly easy to install on the exhaust of a tractor but not with optimal performance . "Spad", "Vulcano" and others have been marketed with sometimes mixed results.
It's not easy to make it concise and complete. I will post the new copy when there are enough changes.
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by bob_isat » 10/11/07, 17:11

I vote for "water doping" clear, conscientious, effective.

vote for him!
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