Doping water Motor: thermodynamic

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Other » 21/05/11, 04:41

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This is why the generator results are low or zero (just as on engine bench that does not load enough engine) because there is always a reserve of engine power compared to the generator mounted on it! Many experimenters have come to terms with doping because of this!

Conversely, below a certain load the effect can be zero (in town without climbs, drop doping, do eco-driving). The increase of the power of the engines and the repression with respect to the speed also makes that one can note less and less effect of a doping!

This has long been attributed to the heat of the reactor, I think we were mistaken: for me, in 2011, it is the heat of the combustion chamber which is more influential than that of the reactor. the 2 are obviously linked ... especially if you have an 9 effect)


In a doping with water the heat of the reactor is not the main criterium of good function, we have the perfect example, if we compare a sytéme on a petrol engine and on a turbo diesel engine the temperatures of operation are simple double for the gasoline engine and the yields on the diesel engine is significantly higher.

For the constant load of the motor, there is also a problem with the water doping, a slow cyclic load variation has a better effect on the efficiency, it is necessary to search around the reactor the why.
We note that a small hill runs better than a flat circuit. A walk makes to the regulator and better than just to stabilize the speed to the accelerator
the regulator (cruse control) on some diesel old gives constantly wolves.
The volume of air that passes into the reactor is important, the air must constantly circulate even if we cut the water (something not easy to do with a bubbler)
It is remembered that going to 90kmh or a110kmh consumption at 100km remains almost identical sometimes better at 110kmh despite a demand for greater power.
We also note that to have a better performance at low speed 60kmh it is necessary that the engine force in low RPM regime despite the low temperature of the reactor.

The main criteria of functioning
A minimum of temperature to the reactor.
Have fine aerosol water droplets.
The stem should not be wet.

To exploit the doping with water on a diesel it would be necessary to change the ratio of the bridge or to have a box with a speed overdrive, a motor which turns around 1800 has 2000rpm

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by dedeleco » 21/05/11, 18:18

Thank you for this review succinct very clear and detailed with the key points of reference of your very long work:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post202958.html#202958

and the subsequent posts raise questions about builders who seem to me like vacuum cleaners who never innovated before the Dyson vacuum, as long as their market share was not changed!
They block each other like sheep.

Your analysis shows in two words: better combustion more complete and more reversible relaxation, closer to the Carnot cycle, better performance.

It seems to me that scientific studies with the current modern means would make it possible to specify the conditions of best performance, without needing to make 100Km for each test.

In particular, the actual PV diagram of the drawing dated 11 October 1924 ????
Indeed, by measuring quickly every explosion the many parameters of the engine, we can measure the performance and determine the best conditions, much easier than in 1924!

This type of in-depth laboratory study in principle makes it possible to progress more quickly.
Since the manufacturers seem to refrain, like the manufacturers of vacuum before Dyson, I deduce that the engines are far from the optimum efficiency possible, waiting to be jostled by a revolution.

Picolo shows this mentality of immobility with contemptuous ideas preconceived false scientifically, on the cycle of Carnot.
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by Flytox » 22/05/11, 00:11

dedeleco wrote:In particular, the actual PV diagram of the drawing dated 11 October 1924 ????
Indeed, by measuring quickly every explosion the many parameters of the engine, we can measure the performance and determine the best conditions, much easier than in 1924!

The current test benches at major car manufacturers are able to analyze this in real time turn-by-turn on each cylinder ..... installation at x Million euro ..... certainly not available ... for amateur trials : Cry: : Mrgreen:
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