Doping with water at 1300 ° C?

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Doping with water at 1300 ° C?




by titus02 » 01/12/05, 21:27

Hello

sorry to put a layer on it, but when I have an idea in the
head I don't have it .....
I had sent a post to find out if steam at 100 ° could
boost a motor (a diesel in my case) André, strong of his
experience had indicated to me that the temperature was not the only one
criterion and that it was necessary to obtain a certain "quality" of steam.

Rather than using water in the form of steam, would it be possible to use "cracked" water (H2 + O) at very high temperature?
I read on some post that doping with water consumes about
1l per 100km, let's base ourselves on a car traveling at 100km / h
1l per hour or around 16cc per minute.
A low flow pump (or simply a system based on
gravity) sends water to the tip of a glow plug
(1300 °) superheated steam, probably themolyzed
(the phenomenon starts from 700 °), is sucked into the intake.
In this case the quality of the steam may become secondary
and the engine could benefit from the supply of hydrogen?
what has he already tried? what do you think of the system?
we can even consider a simplified Pentone by circulating
this vapor countercurrent to the exhaust flow by making it
pass in a pipe concentric with the pipe of the exhaust pot while respecting the air gap of 1mm (an electrical or magnetic phenomenon generated by hot flows, at high speed and circulating in opposite direction)?
thank you for your (possible comments).
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by Other » 01/12/05, 22:41

Hello,
I believe that someone had already made a similar assembly, it sprays water with the exhaust gases the jet passes in an electric arc, not to heat the water, but to spray it more finely.
It is not because an electric arc is 3000 or 4000c that the water or the air which passes through it or comes into contact with it will reach such a temperature.
The heat takes a while to transfer from one fluid to another (It takes almost an hour to heat a steel bill in an oven) and there are penetration formulas that are made for all materials.

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by Thibounet » 02/12/05, 19:03

if the candle is actually 1300 ° (I would rather say 800 ° c Cherry red color)

I think it will happen the same phenomenon as when we spray water on a flame, it will evaporate instantly and there will be a mini combustion, finally I do not really understand the phenomenon.
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by PITMIX » 02/12/05, 20:55

I'm not sure that the candle will resist such treatment for a long time. It is only an electrical resistance. The new diesel engines use a spark plug that is continuously powered. It is for depollution it seems to me.
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by titus02 » 03/12/05, 13:23

Hello

for the candle temp i referred to the post found
on this site or on oliomobile, but I don't really know
the time it is likely to reach.
Regarding resistance (this is the case!) Over time
also mystery, but the "oily" from oliomobile use
everything goes with diesel candles to make their oil good
temp. and apparently there are no problems over time.

thanks for your post, bye
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by Thibounet » 03/12/05, 13:35

in our case the prob is that the candle heats up and we inject water on it, it creates a fairly significant thermal shock, if the injection is continuous then the thermal shock will only occur at the start of the injection.
on the other hand if the injection is intermittent the candle will suffer :x
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by Other » 03/12/05, 16:10

Hello titus2
The oily use of the candle is completely different
the candle is immersed in the liquid it can never turn red, it is the same principle that l, we use in industry in cold countries as with us, the gear boxes have heating elements that heat l, oil, otherwise the electric motors cannot turn the equipment.
What I can tell you that these elements when a crust of cooked oil is made on it turn red and it burns.
that's their lifespan, it's exactly the same thing for the elements in a tank of heated electric hot water (which you call a tank) when the elements are covered with limestone they end up not making any more exchange and they burn.

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