Pantone Article in Science and Life November 2007

[Christophe]

I have been a subscriber to sciences et vie for 30 years and if there is one thing that we cannot blame them for it is a lack of objectivity: for them, what matters are the facts, what the 'we can scientifically prove, which is measurable and reproducible ... we remember the joke of the "memory of water" which was an unspeakable hoax ...

Uh, not entirely agree. S&V is a magazine for the general public, therefore it happens to them to make speculations in order to make "dream" their readers.

For example in the same November issue there is a feature on MHD that looks more like science fiction than fact ... (at least the illustrations). Moreover, about ten years ago, I remember a file on the air car which was to be released a year later ... Finally, the page "Back to X years ago" is very interesting because it clearly shows how S&V has already gone astray in its "claims" (like the airplane to H2 for the year 2000).

And it must be recognized that NO ONE has been able to demonstrate experimentally and in a reproducible way the real effectiveness of pantone according to the figures put forward by Paul Pantone other than by simple water doping which is nothing revolutionary because already used 70 years ago see more ...

At the right time ... so pkoi it is not used massively and mounted original? It must be blocked somewhere, right?

It is also well known that it is very difficult to operate the pantone system correctly because of the reactor heating time (~ 15 minutes) and adjustment difficulties on an engine which does not operate in fixed speed and in all case we have a loss of power ...

Well known? You seem to be a specialist in the thing say so?
What did you experience? Unless you base yourself on testimonials read here and there?

Question hogwash, I had already indicated that the famous "pantonized" helicopter was in fact perfectly normal in construction, nothing at all added, moreover it had a certified registration which strictly prohibits any intervention other than that of a certified workshop , even to change a light bulb ... And imagine a system that uses water in an aircraft ... water seems to freeze ...

Ah sir knows everything decidedly ...
So it is forbidden but some dare to defy the forbidden apparently:



https://www.econologie.com/wiki-moteur-p ... Andr%C3%A9

[crispus]

... we remember the joke of the "memory of water" which was an unspeakable hoax ...

Mystification there is, but it comes from journalists, who coined this expression from scratch. She made Dr Benveniste the laughingstock of the media, and definitively excluded him from the Nobel Prize for his other works.

Neither scientists nor homeopaths found his research to their liking, as it simply put far too many things at stake.
Biography "partisan" to change the usual vultures ...
And directly on the econologie.com site:
https://www.econologie.com/jacques-benve ... s-951.html

[Flytox]

Hello Crispus

Among Dr. Benveniste's detractors was also Science and Life.
This brave Dr not being able to succeed in his experiments without the imperative presence of his assistant.
Another supposedly capital sin, "of intellectual honesty", he worked for a laboratory of "homeopathetic" products.

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[Other]

Hello

Question hogwash, I had already indicated that the famous "pantonized" helicopter was in fact perfectly normal in construction, nothing at all added, moreover it had a certified registration which strictly prohibits any intervention other than that of a certified workshop , even to change a light bulb ... And imagine a system that uses water in an aircraft ... water seems to freeze ...

In the country where I live it’s winter 6 months on the loose I walk with water doping, and it freezes, but very hard, yesterday -15 the water in the bubbler becomes a block of ice after 5km it is melted and it works. After a few years of work to counter the problems of the cold we manage to do something, While there are some who criticize there are others who work.

It is also well known that it is very difficult to operate the pantone system correctly because of the reactor heating time (~ 15 minutes) and adjustment difficulties on an engine which does not operate in fixed speed and in all case we have a loss of power ...

It is also well known that the injection systems in city driving and cold engine, it works in open loop that is to say that the Lamba probe works only if there is a certain temperature in the exhaust and that the engine is not in idle position (TPS)
The ERG valve also works when the engine is at a certain load.

False for fixed regime, in the case of water doping
it is rather engine loaded, in my case it works from 80kmh and it becomes profitable from 90km up to 180kmh .. (it does not run faster engine not big enough)

For the adjustment the adjustment tolerance decreases with the power ask at 130 km / h the adjustment is not very delicate (less than a mower carburetor, 80 km / h the adjustment must be more precise)
Now 300 km on the highway the system is easily measurable and repetitive
Personally I do not know many cars that achieve economy scores in city driving with traffic lights and traffic jams.

For aircraft, there are experimental aircraft manufacturers
EAA in America and a large organization, with standards very different from that of France.
Putting in a Mazda rotary engine or a Chevrolet V8 isn't a problem, any more than landing in any field.

And it must be recognized that NO ONE has been able to demonstrate experimentally and in a reproducible way the real effectiveness of pantone according to the figures put forward by Paul Pantone other than by simple water doping which is nothing revolutionary because already used 70 years ago see more ...

Exact I never arrive at the figures announced by panton nor in 100% panton on a small experimental engine nor in doping with water certain announce 50% I would like to arrive there but I do not manage to exceed the 32% well measured, it's the best I can do, and I'm working to improve, hoping that others on the forum participate in finding solutions to improve the system.
Currently I find a waste of time answering such posts that does not help me it is not this kind of posts that will make me go up to 40%

Do not imagine that I am satisfied with a modest 30% it does not change much

Andre