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by Remundo » 19/11/11, 15:40

to operate, a heat pump needs a hot source and a cold source separate.

The energy gain lies in the fact of benefiting from the exploitable calories in the cold source, on condition of providing additional mechanical work allowing a heat transfer from the cold source to the hot source greater than the mechanical energy supplied (hence the notion of COP> 1).

If you remove the cold source, your heat pump becomes a simple monothermal radiator: it degrades the electrical energy into heat by fluid rolling, Joule losses ... and the COP is only one.

For example, some industrial ventilated furnaces cease to use their resistances because the simple brewing of the air heats sufficiently ... A PAC that only brews the air from the hot source can only warm it to the height of the electrical energy that is given.

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by hic » 19/11/11, 16:16

Remundo wrote:to operate, a heat pump needs a hot source and a cold source separate.

The energy gain lies in the fact of benefiting from the exploitable calories in the cold source, on condition of providing additional mechanical work allowing a heat transfer from the cold source to the hot source greater than the mechanical energy supplied (hence the notion of COP> 1).

If you remove the cold source, your heat pump becomes a simple monothermal radiator: it degrades the electrical energy into heat by fluid rolling, Joule losses ... and the COP is only one.

For example, some industrial ventilated furnaces cease to use their resistances because the simple brewing of the air heats sufficiently ... A PAC that only brews the air from the hot source can only warm it to the height of the electrical energy that is given.

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hi Remundo

in our case,
the cold source is 20 ° (room temperature)

for an indoor compressor (called "air conditioner")

which raises it to 25 ° to maintain the temperature at 20 °


the hot spring ?? it's not 25 °

in our case
we have an inner delta and an inner temperature

without a direct relationship with the outside
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by Christophe » 19/11/11, 17:41

Well, are you going to stop taking us for hicsticks?

Your room at 20 ° C it will cool fissa to reach the T ° outside and if it is insulated its T ° will be lower than the T ° outside ...

All this will happen quickly after a certain time (a few days following its thermal inertia and T ° ...) !!!

It is necessary that the calories come from somewhere if the T ° decreases ... You can understand this yes or no?
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by dedeleco » 19/11/11, 18:23

Hic is a super-shadok pumping upside down the thermodynamic principles, to pump all the shadoks of econology to explain to him that it resonates like a super-shadok, which makes display a max of advertisements of heat pumps on econology !!!
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by jlt22 » 19/11/11, 18:56

I do not believe in "catch principle"
But, maybe he just made a discovery that will revolutionize thermodynamics?
But if it is so sure of its principle, why does it not make us a simple experiment instead of issuing dubious theories.
All you need is a refrigerator with its box of packaging.
The cap is simply a refrigerator that works upside down.
It is therefore necessary to remove the refrigerator door, put it back tightly in its packaging box, let out its supply wire, insert a T ° probe, measure the power consumption during the test, then set out to observe what is happening and make the final assessment.
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by Ahmed » 19/11/11, 19:27

Jlt22 writing:
The cap is simply a refrigerator that works upside down.

To avoid confusing things, I would say that the CAP takes calories at one point and returns them to another, after it is according to the use that we can call it a fridge or a heater.
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by hic » 19/11/11, 21:28

jlt22 wrote:I do not believe in "catch principle"
But, maybe he just made a discovery that will revolutionize thermodynamics?
But if it is so sure of its principle, why does it not make us a simple experiment instead of issuing dubious theories.
All you need is a refrigerator with its box of packaging.
The cap is simply a refrigerator that works upside down.
It is therefore necessary to remove the refrigerator door, put it back tightly in its packaging box, let out its supply wire, insert a T ° probe, measure the power consumption during the test, then set out to observe what is happening and make the final assessment.


Hello

except that you just made a huge blunder !!

you have to install the refrigerator radiator outside the room


and in equivalence,
for the air conditioner in cold position

it is hot air coming out of the air conditioner to the outside through the pipe

so there is a lack of calories
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by Christophe » 19/11/11, 21:36

Good enough I propose the lock?

2 or 3 yes will suffice :)
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by hic » 19/11/11, 21:39

Christophe wrote:Good enough I propose the lock?

2 or 3 yes will suffice :)


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Yes ! you can lock

we agree
this thread is catastrophic

merci!
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by Ahmed » 19/11/11, 22:09

That must be why your avatar is blocking his eyes!
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