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Re: Feedback on receipt from a heating specialist




by roy1361 » 05/11/11, 13:17

Hello,

Without going into an umpteenth debate on the matter, a few details:

Clark wrote:Pellet boiler:
- The yield is about 95%, possibility of coupling with a solar or thermodynamic balloon to relieve the boiler.

The boiler does very well to make DHW all year round-

Mechanical maintenance, but still the problems of fouling.

Soiling problems ?? Which ??

- Cost at Kw / h cheaper than electricity

Yes, not far from three times cheaper.

- The increase in the price of electricity will be more easily cashed than the increase in the cost of pellets.

Silly and baseless argument repeated regularly by PAC vendors. In addition to being almost three times cheaper than electric kWh, pellet is the energy that has the most stable price (and even declining in Switzerland). You still have to be damn blown up to say such a thing.
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by dedeleco » 05/11/11, 14:52

Totally agree with this statement and on scams with PAC and false geothermal energy because in fact it is the solar heat stored in the ground naturally over years!!!

Amazing that this deceptive lie continues endlessly !!

Finally by burning the free wood that I see thrown everywhere around my home, my heating becomes free at the cost of a little bit of collecting work !!

This very dry wood burnt effectively in my inserts pollutes much less than this same wood and very humid plants burnt by my neighbors who smoke me for days !!!
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by Clark » 07/11/11, 19:04

Today, 2 new people:

* The first made me a comparison of Granules ... and gas:

The pellet boiler with 500l tank and 6 t silo will cost me as much as if I brought in the gas and he installed a gas condensing boiler but with the following advantages for gas:
- more space because no silo
- maintenance costs of 110 € instead of 200 € for pellets
- identical annual consumption for a ton of pellets at € 220 / t, i.e. approximately € 1320, as much for gas :|
- the increase in gas will also be reflected in the cost of the ton of pellets because it will be found in the transport and manufacture of pellet (via petroleum) :?:
- But also, when I told him that in France, we made more wood than we consumed, he replied that since 2010, we have been achieving a balance and that soon, we will achieve the opposite effect. hence a possible increase in the price of the pellet. And that commercially, manufacturers place pellet boilers and then increase the price : Shock:

* The second presented me with two solutions:

- Air / water heat pump which takes care of the heating and keep my fuel oil boiler which will produce my DHW and take over when the heat pump is insufficient on very cold days.
- Complete air-water heat pump with electric tank and an (electric) system which will boost the assembly on the day when it is insufficient (temperature below - 5 ° C)

And I have to move on ...

What I like about this profession is that everyone says that everyone is lying or wrong ... It's X-Files: "The truth is elsewhere ..." :?

Soon, visit for Aquathermy and first quotes!

PS: Sunglasses were presented to me more as a fashion than as a real necessity!
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by roy1361 » 07/11/11, 20:49

Clark wrote:Today, 2 new people:

* The first made me a comparison of Granules ... and gas:

He didn't do a comparison, he broke the pellet by telling a lot of false things:


The pellet boiler with 500l tank and 6 t silo will cost me as much as if I brought in the gas and he installed a gas condensing boiler but with the following advantages for gas:
- more space because no silo

There he is right.

- maintenance costs of 110 € instead of 200 € for pellets

I don't know the prices in France ...

- identical annual consumption for a ton of pellets at € 220 / t, i.e. approximately € 1320, as much for gas :|

There he is wrong. For a drink energy identical, it will cost you 50% more with gas, simply because kWh gas is 50% more expensive than kWh pellet.

- the increase in gas will also be reflected in the cost of the ton of pellets because it will be found in the transport and manufacture of pellet (via petroleum) :?:

In a modern production plant, there is neither gas nor oil that is used to make pellet. The embodied energy contained in modern pellets does not exceed 2.5% ... The repercussion will therefore be extremely low.

- But also, when I told him that in France, we made more wood than we consumed, he replied that since 2010, we have been achieving a balance and that soon, we will achieve the opposite effect. hence a possible increase in the price of the pellet.

[color = green] So make a little visit to the site:
www.propellet.fr

And that commercially, manufacturers place pellet boilers and then increase the price [/ color]: shock:

Boiler builders don't make pellet, I don't know what he means by that ...


PS: Sunglasses were presented to me more as a fashion than as a real necessity!


It is clear that in a country like France, where "we" continue to build new houses with poor insulation and heated with electric convectors or gas boilers, solar can well pass for a useless fashion ... Poor France.
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by dedeleco » 07/11/11, 23:08

Totally agree with Roy1361, there is no picture with these commercial lies !!!
For me gas maintenance = 0 as for pellets or free wood = 0 also, maintenance myself and sweeping also, even up on the roof (much better roped than the pros) and also possibility to make your free pellets yourself with everyone free vegetable waste (even those of my neighbors who smoke me with it, for days burning in the open air), for the price of an extra stove !!

Finally, when I see the quantity of good wood abandoned or burnt everywhere, at my neighbors, in recycling centers, in the fields and forests, there is no risk of running out of wood for pellets, but of manpower to collect it, given the low prices of other energies and the laziness of many, obese because they do not exercise enough, for what they eat !!

For the CAP, an architect and the installer scammed me, irreparable 3 years later, following love at first sight, model no longer being made, everything to change, and miracle a last model available at the rancart, and everything to change now , fluid not found !! So I refuse to snatch repeatedly, unlike most people. Heating remains well below a third of the taxes on houses, them growing faster than energy !!

So considering the price of PACs, I might as well take the free wood lying around my house !!

PACs are complex, fragile, electronic destroyed by lightning, fluid that can leak, changing every 10 years, maintenance therefore expensive and not profitable, ultimately as expensive as gas, while inserts or stoves are resistant to lightning, not PACs, real free booster below -5 ° C, while electric heating or other costs a max , moreover with free fuel, after drying in the sun and kept in a dry place, like pellets !!

The real scientific solution, perpetually free and without any pollution or maintenance, is the summer sun wasted by all of us, kept for heating in winter, underground, as already explained. www.dlsc.ca !!
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