Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate

[Janic]

Moindreffort wrote: The glyphosate is an active chemical and it is accompanied by precautions of jobs, so to choose to use such a product is to choose to expose, you use it? NO, so you made your choice, everyone is responsible for his choice, easy after to postpone his bad choices on others.
janic wrote: Except, again, that the farmer IMPOSE to consumers his products without consulting them (but he is not the only one of course)

consumers have the choice of organic, you tell us it is better, same price and available, so why consumers do not choose it?
why do consumers choose the wrong products are they suicidal?
It's a simple rule of three! If between 5 and 10% of the farms (which does not mean 510% of the agricultural mass produced) are organic, it means that 5 10% of the population "would choose" to consume organic and others do not have no choice precisely! So they are not suicidal, they are either convinced that bio is better (5 / 10%) others think it could be better but it's too expensive, others do not care, and others are downright against it: it is a question of personal conviction.
Unfortunately, currently, if the demand increases, the conversions to the organic do not follow this one and thus it is products coming from foreign country which fill this void.
I went to a Carrefour yesterday and I was amazed at the increasing importance of "organic" products, plus their claim to refuse 100 chemicals in their food. Times are changing and mentalities are changing too!

For glyphosate, the administrative decision to ban Glyphosate: Justice cancels the marketing authorization for Roundup Pro 360
The Lyon Administrative Court relied on the "precautionary principle" to cancel the marketing authorization of this herbicide containing glyphosate and marketed by Monsanto.

[Janic]

https://www.france.tv/actualites-et-soc ... ortir.html

[izentrop]

https://www.france.tv/actualites-et-societe/magazines-d-actu/860147-glyphosate-comment-s-en-sortir.html

Ha! Ha !, I did not look because I know too well how to handle the info of Elise LUcet ... Not missed:

The report highlighted a "glyphotest" to measure the amounts of glyphosate present in the urine of certain celebrities. So far, the idea is excellent.

The problem is the way the results were presented. Elise Lucet gives the quantities found and ... that's it. According to her: "we are unable to set a threshold, for the moment, there are no standards" [4].

There are obviously no standards for the urine itself, but that's not how we use these tests (!) Human exposure to glyphosate is strictly regulated, and this is precisely the case. interest of urine tests: they make it possible to know the quantity of glyphosate actually ingested and to compare it with standards.

The calculations are quite simple, everything is described in the "methodology" section of this study [5], the Bunker D blog also provides very clear explanations in French [6]. Here is what it gives:

Take the highest score found on the show: Julie Gayet.

▪ Its rate is 1,26 ug / L in the urine.
▪ We know that a human urine approximately 2 liters per day, the total amount of glyphosate rejected is 2,52 ug.
▪ We know that the absorption rate of glyphosate is 20% [5], so the total amount of glyphosate in its body is 12,6 ug (2,52ug / 20%).

- Julie Gayet ingests 12,6 ug of glyphosate daily. But is it above the norms?

▪️In Europe, the permissible daily dose for glyphosate is 500 ug / body weight [7].
▪Julie Gayet must weigh about 60 kg.
▪ The standard is 30 000 ug (60kg * 500ug).

- Julie Gayet ingests a total quantity of glyphosate 2 times below the standards, yet this is the example presented as being the most "serious" of the show.

[Gébé]

The ADI is in fact 1 / 100 of the quantity from which one is supposed to notice an effect, Julie Gayet, recordwoman of its category, ingére makes a dose 238000 ** times lower than that which could could be impacting its health.
But that, Élise Lucet and France 2 couldn't care less, they are there to make the ratings and like many others, "to feed on our fears".

** The order of magnitude is to drink a small glass of a product when it would be necessary to swallow a whole tanker truck (big + model) ) so that it starts to be a problem.

[Janic]

except that the ADI are established ... by the industrialists who alone have the financial means to make multiple tests, not the States. Moreover these doses are established for an average consumer, not case by case. So allergies are not due to the amount of an allergen absorbed, but to his presence which causes various reactions that can go until death. So, indeed, a crude rate is not significant of acute toxicity, but there is also the cocktail effect, impossible to determine scientifically, but ascertainable by cumulation of similar cases

The ADI is calculated for a substance, and does not consider possible synergistic effects when this substance is associated with another. It is set following an in-depth review of all available scientific data and studies.[*]

In addition, another factor to take into account is the DARf, which again is only an average for a healthy average individual.
However, cases of glyphosate intoxication concern, in fact, either users who have not taken the recommended precautions for use (but nonexistent when placing Roundup on the market) or sensitive individuals as for any product. industrial elsewhere.
Finally, some products such as DDT, asbestos, Vioxx have finally been removed from the market after long years of debates and trials lasting a century like asbestos, during which industrialists have drowned markets for their products and that Civil society Then the responsibility for eliminating the environment (not responsible industrialists) the judgment prohibiting Roundup is part of the new precautionary measures neglected so far.

https://www.efsa.europa.eu/fr/press/news/151112
It goes without saying that ardent advocates of chemicals like this suddenly change their minds when they are the direct or indirect victims ... just like vaccines!

[*] only concerning certain studies which are in the direction of the result expected by the industrialists, .... not the others obviously!

[Moindreffor]

except that the ADI are established ... by the industrialists who alone have the financial means to make multiple tests, not the States. Moreover these doses are established for an average consumer, not case by case. So allergies are not due to the amount of an allergen absorbed, but to his presence which causes various reactions that can go until death. So, indeed, a crude rate is not significant of acute toxicity, but there is also the cocktail effect, impossible to determine scientifically, but ascertainable by cumulation of similar cases

The ADI is calculated for a substance, and does not consider possible synergistic effects when this substance is associated with another. It is set following an in-depth review of all available scientific data and studies.[*]

In addition, another factor to take into account is the DARf, which again is only an average for a healthy average individual.
However, cases of glyphosate intoxication concern, in fact, either users who have not taken the recommended precautions for use (but nonexistent when placing Roundup on the market) or sensitive individuals as for any product. industrial elsewhere.
Finally, some products such as DDT, asbestos, Vioxx have finally been removed from the market after long years of debates and trials lasting a century like asbestos, during which industrialists have drowned markets for their products and that Civil society Then the responsibility for eliminating the environment (not responsible industrialists) the judgment prohibiting Roundup is part of the new precautionary measures neglected so far.

https://www.efsa.europa.eu/fr/press/news/151112
It goes without saying that ardent advocates of chemicals like this suddenly change their minds when they are the direct or indirect victims ... just like vaccines!

[*] only concerning certain studies which are in the direction of the result expected by the industrialists, .... not the others obviously!

it's true you're absolutely right, scientists get to wrong a factor 100 or 1000 on an ADI, and that voluntarily to make big money, and nobody, not even a small independent lab with launchers Alerts can not prove such a gross mistake, but what do we learn from our young people in French universities, fortunately that Hindu scientists are there to correct, not even ...

[Janic]

it's true you're absolutely right,

Finally you recognize that what I quote is right!

scientists are getting a wrong factor 100 or 1000 on an ADI,

Already it is not about scientists but scientists. Regarding Alu, for example, the world specialist in this metal wonders what scientific criteria are established acceptable doses when he himself knows nothing, while it is his specialty and when he asks which specialist has set this dose, it's the most complete mystery, but you must be aware of course!

and that voluntarily to make big pennies,

You see, you finally realize it too!

and no one, even a small independent lab with whistleblowers, can prove such a big mistake,

Whistleblowers are generally not heard as minority and questioning well-established dogmas. Their alerts are hardly, if at all, mentioned in the usual media (depending on the advertisers), so it is not only when scandals break out [*] that their points of view are more or less recognized. But your ultra conformism does not lead you to consult these minority points of view.

but what do we learn from our young people in French universities?

You just put your finger right where it hurts. For example, how many hours, days, weeks do medical students spend on vaccinations, which nevertheless represent 30% of pediatricians' turnover? and that they should just know by heart!

Fortunately Hindu scientists are here to correct, not even ...

Hinduism is a religion, not a population of India! When Indian scientists have less blinkers than our Westerners. And glyphosate is as bad in these countries as it is in ours. Fortunately, it is, by decision of justice, finally forbidden in France.
[*] DDT already cited and as if by chance a Monsanto product; Asbestos, (Not only 35.000 people died in France of an asbestos disease, between 1965 and 1995, but between 50.000 and 100.000 deaths are still expected by 2025 According to the International Labor Organization , 100.000 people die every year, in the world, because of asbestos). the vioxx (which has made only a few hundreds of thousands of victims), etc ...

[gildas]

Hello,

India, an example to follow:

[izentrop]

The beautiful fairy tale

Farmers in Sikkim complain about unfair prices and inappropriate means. Mealybugs, caterpillars, bugs and other pests can not be effectively combated; farmers also lack adequate means against fungal diseases. The harvest of ginger has fallen to one-third of the usual yield before stopping the use of synthetic pesticides. There are no biological pesticides against the zoned spot, a fungal disease, ginger. Harvests of maize and legumes also collapsed. Where 470 was previously harvested at 500 kg per hectare, it is now only 130 to 140. There are also problems with oranges and cardamom. Farmers report crop losses from 25 to 50%; for tomatoes it's more than 50 percent.
Even the National Organic Farming Research Institute of Sikkim says: "The problem of insect infestations has increased since the conversion to organic farming. The Indian newspaper, Sunday Guardian, took stock in June 2018: the conversion is a "fiasco": the Sikkim only produces 20% of its rice needs, wheat production has increased from 21.600 tons to 350 tons , for the important export product cardamom, of which 5.400 tons were still produced in 2004, the crop dropped to 4.000 tons in 2015. Only forage maize production has increased (from 59.000 tonnes in 1996 to 68.000 tonnes in 2016). Sikkim is heavily dependent on food imports from neighboring states, which continue to produce conventionally.
Sikkim, says Indian agronomist Dr. GV Ramanjaneyulu, of the Center for Sustainable Agriculture in Hyderabad, was already unable to feed its population - about 600.000 inhabitants - before converting it to a state-of-the-art 100%, not to mention the 800.000 tourists who flock to the state every year, steadily increasing. Many Westerners want to visit the biological paradise. It gives figures: 70% of the food had to be imported before conversion, it will probably be much more in the future.
The consequences are already obvious. In April 2018, a new stage of bio-revolution was to come into force: the ban on importing fruits and vegetables without organic certification. But when the prices of some products were multiplied by six, there were demonstrations and resellers rebelled ... seppi.over-blog.com/2018/12/le-conte-de-fees-du- 100-bio.html

Traders in Sikkim believe that most vegetables will soon be scarce. Only cabbage, cauliflower and organic beans can meet local demand because they are produced in large quantities in the state.

"But the price difference is huge. Organic cauliflower is sold at 120 Rs per kilogram against 20-25 Rs for the non-organic variant, "said a trader at Lall Bazaar in Gangtok. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... lj3FP.html

To translate https://www.newsclick.in/sikkims-vegeta ... waste-food

[Moindreffor]

it's true you're absolutely right,

Finally you recognize that what I quote is right!

scientists are getting a wrong factor 100 or 1000 on an ADI,

Already it is not about scientists but scientists. Regarding Alu, for example, the world specialist in this metal wonders what scientific criteria are established acceptable doses when he himself knows nothing, while it is his specialty and when he asks which specialist has set this dose, it's the most complete mystery, but you must be aware of course!

and that voluntarily to make big pennies,

You see, you finally realize it too!

and no one, even a small independent lab with whistleblowers, can prove such a big mistake,

Whistleblowers are generally not heard as minority and questioning well-established dogmas. Their alerts are hardly, if at all, mentioned in the usual media (depending on the advertisers), so it is not only when scandals break out [*] that their points of view are more or less recognized. But your ultra conformism does not lead you to consult these minority points of view.

but what do we learn from our young people in French universities?

You just put your finger right where it hurts. For example, how many hours, days, weeks do medical students spend on vaccinations, which nevertheless represent 30% of pediatricians' turnover? and that they should just know by heart!

Fortunately Hindu scientists are here to correct, not even ...

Hinduism is a religion, not a population of India! When Indian scientists have less blinkers than our Westerners. And glyphosate is as bad in these countries as it is in ours. Fortunately, it is, by decision of justice, finally forbidden in France.
[*] DDT already cited and as if by chance a Monsanto product; Asbestos, (Not only 35.000 people died in France of an asbestos disease, between 1965 and 1995, but between 50.000 and 100.000 deaths are still expected by 2025 According to the International Labor Organization , 100.000 people die every year, in the world, because of asbestos). the vioxx (which has made only a few hundreds of thousands of victims), etc ...

you really have trouble with the second degree and with the irony, on the other hand in the cutting of text and the exit of context you are champion, it is true that one can not be good everywhere, and that the studies of theology does not help for the second degree (in humor not in studies, I think you still have to go beyond college level )

in your list you forget the dead in miners, and yet the coal mines still exist, (among others) after as I say it's easy to criticize this or that old product with hindsight and current knowledge
the difference with, before and now is that science has evolved, we know much better anticipate, but I know that you do not believe it for fear of science and the decision to ban glyphosate in France is purely political, I hope you are aware or you are really naive (after the decline on the ecological transition of the government, it was necessary to make a gesture towards the ecologists in anticipation of the European elections, I tell you in case )

In other words, I have deliberately talked about Hindu and non-Indian scientists, because we must not forget that India is a country where religion still exercises a very important power, so a certain independence or dependence of mind will know. ..