The magic of sdhi, another disaster to come ...
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Isn't it logical and desirable that "fear sellers" arise to counterbalance the sellers of tranquilizers?
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Re: The magic of sdhi, another disaster to come ...
Why are the whistleblower researchers who test and inform us of the dangers of hastily marketed molecules that I push you to be "fear sellers"?
The big chemical firms, like the mafias, benefit from high-placed support and act like the traffickers of so-called "recreational" molecules who hasten to add from beyond an atom to a molecule as soon as the previous one is prohibited by law. anti-narcotics to get around it. I'm sure even more dangerous crap than SDHI is in the drawers and just waiting for it to pop up "stubbornly".
The big chemical firms, like the mafias, benefit from high-placed support and act like the traffickers of so-called "recreational" molecules who hasten to add from beyond an atom to a molecule as soon as the previous one is prohibited by law. anti-narcotics to get around it. I'm sure even more dangerous crap than SDHI is in the drawers and just waiting for it to pop up "stubbornly".
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"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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GuyGadebois wrote:Uh ... that's all you have to answer ???? "In vitro not in vivo" ????
The Health Security Agency (ANSES), which had estimated in January that no health alert was immediately justified, stressed Friday "continue its work on the potential effects of these substances on health under real exposure conditions" and having "asked Inserm to take into account the data in this publication, as well as other recent publications".
She said in a statement " risky to compare the values (...) obtained in vitro under laboratory conditions with the concentrations of SDHI which could result from the applications of pesticides on crops ", And indicates also working on" the issue of cumulative exposures to the various SDHI fungicides via food ", on which she" will publish its results in the first half of 2020 ".
For its part, the UIPP, which represents industrial producers of phytosanitary products, noted that ANSES "has expressed very clearly reassuring opinions on SDHIs three times in the past nine months". https://www.terre-net.fr/actualite-agri ... 63895.html
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izentrop wrote:GuyGadebois wrote:Uh ... that's all you have to answer ???? "In vitro not in vivo" ????The Health Security Agency (ANSES), which had estimated in January that no health alert was immediately justified, stressed Friday "continue its work on the potential effects of these substances on health under real exposure conditions" and having "asked Inserm to take into account the data in this publication, as well as other recent publications".
She said in a statement " risky to compare the values (...) obtained in vitro under laboratory conditions with the concentrations of SDHI which could result from the applications of pesticides on crops ", And indicates also working on" the issue of cumulative exposures to the various SDHI fungicides via food ", on which she" will publish its results in the first half of 2020 ".
For its part, the UIPP, which represents industrial producers of phytosanitary products, noted that ANSES "has expressed very clearly reassuring opinions on SDHIs three times in the past nine months". https://www.terre-net.fr/actualite-agri ... 63895.html
Always the same referents L'ANSES: Liars, fakers, accomplices of big companies.
In short, I suggest that you do the guinea pig to have "in vivo" results.
ANSES has NEVER provided anyone with the results of any research, but "An ANSES study also indicates that one year after treatment with boscalid, there is a 30% reduction in earthworms."
https://www.pollinis.org/publications/e ... ides-sdhi/
Oh by the way, thank you for your link "https://www.terre-net.fr/actualite-agricole/economie-social/article/une-nouvelle-etude-met-en-cause-les-fongicides-controverses-202 -163895.html "which gives water to my mill.
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"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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No need, they have already been done back and forth and across. Another thing from the organic lobby, anthroposopher ... anti-science. We saw how it worked with glyphosate.
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izentrop wrote:No need, they have already been carried out back and forth and across. Another thing from the organic lobby, anthroposopher ... anti-science. We saw how it worked with glyphosate.
You are not screwed to give the link of a single documented study of the ANSES * which relates to the SDHI ... because it does not exist. There are only reassuring press releases on their part and the promise that "we are working on it with groups of experts" is ludicrous *.
Your (no) arguments are based on emptiness and imprecations towards "imaginary enemies" of progress.
* How ANSES "works":
"The experts analyzed the data from the evaluation files for active substances under European regulations and the data relating to the risks to human health associated with each of the uses of the products, the toxicity for mammals and carcinogenicity, whatever the pathways or mechanisms of action that could be responsible for this toxicity (genotoxicity, epigenetics, mitotoxicity, etc.).
Data from scientific literature and international databases, surveillance data (contamination of environments and food in particular), vigilance and control were also studied by the ANSES expert group. "
No experimentation, no precise data, nothing ... Generalist blabla:
https://www.anses.fr/fr/content/fongici ... sultats-de
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“It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on intelligent things. (J.Rouxel)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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ANSES and INRA have noted for several years that fungi and molds develop resistance to SDHI, so that "the effectiveness of this family of fungicides is severely affected". Potentially dangerous and in addition ineffective ...
https://www.arvalis-infos.fr/file/galle ... 555696.pdf
https://www.arvalis-infos.fr/file/galle ... 555696.pdf
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“It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on intelligent things. (J.Rouxel)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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Any professional knows that to avoid resistance, you have to vary the means of fighting against bio-aggressors. Whether in medicine or plant health.
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izentrop wrote:Any professional knows that to avoid resistance, it is necessary to vary the means of struggle against bio-aggressors. Whether in medicine or plant health.
You have to believe not, since we are there thanks to the agricultural policies that have been imposed on us since the post-war period ... A little serious, Izy.
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“It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on intelligent things. (J.Rouxel)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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I should have specified: "serious professional"Any professional ...
Holds, a new Séralini http://alerte-environnement.fr/2019/11/ ... inisation/
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