Monsanto Roundup banned from sale in France, a slap ??

[izentrop]

Ah bin I see that clichés have a hard life ... a study showed that organic farming could feed the world ... with some concessions ...
I think we talked about it here: agriculture / we-produce-widely-to-feed-all-the-world-t13124.html

Marc Dufumier is more on the side of Nicolas Hulot than science http://seppi.over-blog.com/2017/08/le-m ... monde.html

This INRA report shows that cereal yields in organic farming are much lower http://inra-dam-front-resources-cdn.bra ... ume-1.html

[Christophe]

This INRA report shows that cereal yields in organic farming are much lower http://inra-dam-front-resources-cdn.bra ... ume-1.html

And what% of agricultural production is wasted globally today? A good 50% just ...

So CQFD ...

It's not the technique that is problematic, it's the whole system!

[izentrop]

Gashed for organic matter does not mean anything if it is put back into the normal cycle of nitrogen, phosphorus and toutiquanti. ;)

You're right, we've transgressed these natural cycles and it's not difficult to restore them.

The cause of malnutrition is first and foremost wars.

[Did67]

"Organic" is the only department that is still developing in super / hyper ... And a good part of the margin of these stores comes from there.

I do not defend Roundup, I hope it's clear. I say two or three things ...

a) the malicious exploitation of certain bobo niches does not make it possible to "prove" that generalizing "organic" is possible; these "arguments" do not hold ... It's like making believe that everyone could drive a Ferrari or Porsche!

[it was my purpose]

b) glyphosate is not, for me, the most dangerous pesticide; it's just an emblem (even if Monsanto doesn't give a damn today since it's gone into the public domain; they no longer make any sales with this "old" molecule - from the 70s!) ; it would be nice if it were banned, but if nothing else changes, it's pissing in a violin!

[That's what I meant too, talking about changing the system; and not just to fight against glyphosate]


[edit: this post is still under construction - I had not seen the rest]

[Christophe]

Gashed for organic matter does not mean anything if it is put back into the normal cycle of nitrogen, phosphorus and toutiquanti. ;)

Uh biologically yes but economically it's a mess because compost does not have the same economic value as a food for humans or animals (excluding bacteria)

[izentrop]

I don't know what mess, you're talking about, because the industry is optimizing to the maximum. Nothing is lost, everything is transformed. thanks to "pesticides", there is much less loss by animal predation, insectivore and much less toxins in food.

In restaurants and at home, there is a lot of mess but it is upgraded by fertilizing if it is well recycled. The economic side is out of step, we know it well.

[Did67]

I do not know what a mess you're talking about, because the industry is optimizing at the most ...

I think Christophe is talking about 25% of fruit and vegetables, therefore of "perfectly nourishing biomass" that the circuits reject because they do not comply with standards: deformed fruits, possibly "stung" (which would not prevent consuming the rest, but it is unsaleable), what is not harvested by the machines (a carrot harvester leaves part of the carrots in the ground), etc ... There is also what goes beyond the dates ... storage ... There is what the canteens throw away ...

I do not know if the statistics are reliable, this is what "planetoscope" says:

"Each year, France wastes nearly 10 million tonnes of food products, or 317 kg per second (counter). Of these 10 million tonnes, more than 1,2 concerns food that can still be consumed, or nearly 20 kg per French and per year. Restaurants are responsible for 14% of food waste in France (2016). "

A memory: when I was young, my mother bought bread from the baker who made a "tour" (we lived in a small village). We had to finish the dry bread, before having the right to eat the fresh bread. Force that on a kid today, you end up in court for mistreatment!

[Did67]

Many praise "German pragmatism", success, seriousness, etc ...

To the Bavarian curators, grateful glyphosate! History will bear in mind that it is one of them that allowed this controversial herbicide to continue to be used in Europe in the next five years. His name is Christian Schmidt, the German Minister of Agriculture. On Monday November 27, in Brussels, it was at his initiative that Germany voted for the renewal of the glyphosate license, which was due to expire on December 15.

A decisive vote: without Germany, the required qualified majority would not have been reached. Unexpected vote: The last time the EU Member States were consulted on the subject, the November 9, Germany abstained. A vote, finally, which gives rise to acute discomfort in Germany, forcing Angela Merkel to disavow her agriculture minister

Learn more about http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2 ... It3X2DS.99


For those who do not know:

a) Germany is currently still ruled by a "grand coalition" (SPD and CDU / CSU) (socialists and Christian Democracy). A purely "technical" government since the last legislative elections (pending a new government).

b) During the last elections, the defeated SPD did not want to start negotiations for a renewal. The Chancellor has started negotiations with the ecologists, the liberals, for a "Jamaica" coalition (the color of the banners of the parties in question). This turned out to be so difficult that the Chancellor threw in the towel, before being asked to continue by the President. The SPD has finally fired its cuti and agreed to start negotiations for a renewal of the grand coalition.

c) The rule of the coalition is that if a CDU / CSU Minister and another of the SPD do not agree, Germany abstains. The Minister of Ecology (SPD) was against it. The Minister of Agriculture (CSU) for. He violated this rule.

As a result, glyphosate is renewed for 5 years.

And the negotiations between SPD and CDU / CSU took a hell of a blizzard!

Here. To contextualize the excerpt above.

[Christophe]

I'm talking about the "farm to trash" food waste in general ...

Only among the individuals we are already approaching the 25% of food waste (and yes, many are those who forget and throw the day of the DLC or even had for the most paranos ...)

In the distribution this must be a good 15-20% ...

Same in production.

A simple example, the baker: how many unsold ones each day? 10%? 20%? The bread should be fairly optimized given the flow after some sales analysis but the sales of pastries or pastries must be, for example, much more volatile so more waste (or losses of CA ... must choose ...)?

In catering, I think this is the worst case ...

There too optimizations but a very important part must be ruined, especially as the card is varied and offers fresh products ... but the worst must be at the level of administrations I think (canteen schools or students, hospitals ...)

Nan really claiming that 50% of agricultural production wasteful I must not be far from reality ...moreover, this estimate is confirmed by these figures: agriculture / food-mess-world-on-France-Culture-t12357.html

2 other topics:
Consumer-durable / deadline-of-use-a-mess-food-for-more-t12400.html
Consumer-durable / guide-to-fight-against-the-food-waste-AAU-t10229.html

[Christophe]

It is not false!!

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