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Re: Food Choices, omni carni herbivores, VG




by Remundo » 25/04/16, 20:43

eat normally, eat everything, including meat. As 99% of humanity that finds sustenance with sufficient food diversification.

The other 1% who loathe this and that are abnormal in the sense not "in the norm".
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by Obamot » 25/04/16, 22:33

That's not statistically possible.

If there are 3% of vegetarians currently in a "rich" country like France >>> the world population can only exceed this rate!

Moreover, it was not always a minority in the south of the country in the Middle Ages or for nearly 400 years the population did not eat it for religious reasons (Catharism). So yes, well, you will tell me that it was "ideological", but consumption as a whole is also today ...

In India it is almost 40% of the population does not eat and cows are sacred!

In total in the world it would be> 5% of the world population.

As for those who can only afford meat (that's not given to everyone .... just eat ...)

So if we include those who do not eat for purely economic reasons, every time they do not eat meat are vegetarian ....! : Cheesy:

In short, that would make us more than 700 "not normal" people in the world (?), Well it depends where, there are whole cities in India where it is forbidden to consume meat by law ! So the "border of normality"is not only" ideological "(if we accept this term at all) it is also a legal norm ... so these are the ways and customs (normality) it is therefore difficult to establish, to say that not to eat meat would be "abnormal" is a kind of excess in the other direction! Since, on the contrary, there is no law obliging us to consume meat, so it is not "abnormal"not to do it. CQFD.
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by Remundo » 25/04/16, 22:43

I was talking about 99% among people who have access to dietary diversity, I did not say that 99% of people have access to food diversity.

Moreover the Indians or Chinese examples show that there is a strong demand for meat, China has multiplied by 7, I believe, consumption of meat products.
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by Obamot » 25/04/16, 22:49

China is a special case of a country that has lived under deprivation for decades, it follows the same through that in the post-war Europe, where we have dropped the black bread for white bread , undertook to buy meat under social promotion, and all the excesses that have appeared recently in Asia, such as obesity that did not exist until there is little ....

That said, I understood that by saying your words, you were trying to "restore a sort of normality"compared to people who eat meat VS those who seek to choose another food mode, which should not be blamed for that, and therefore to leave everyone the freedom of choice. While knowing the risks. It is a fact that today there is overconsumption (compared to the WHO criteria) So we cannot admit that overconsumption would become the norm, it would not make sense.
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by Remundo » 26/04/16, 00:09

China a special case? Already 1,3 billion, and meat consumption is correlated to the physical and economic growth in general.

In the US, it's much more fats and sugars that are responsible for obesity. Besides diets that work best are protein diets ...
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by Janic » 26/04/16, 09:38

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eat normally, eat everything, including meat.
This is false logic (yet in mechanics you know how to use it widely, but you don't have to defend a food crop there) In the animal kingdom, herbivores do not eat everything since their physiologically adapted mode of food is vegetable, not meat. On the other hand, predators have a food mode also adapted to their physiology and they do not eat plants; therefore everyone does not eat everything and, according to this logic that you indicate, they would not eat "normally". Unfortunately for this discourse, all school biology textbooks (cramming) say the opposite, but stumble on the case of humans which becomes in contradiction with the very logic used for other animals. (But these textbooks are established by " scavengers ")
As 99% of humanity that finds sustenance with sufficient food diversification.
Crop diversification is food sufficient to feed people without any deficiencies.
The other 1% who loathe this and that are abnormal in the sense not "in the norm".
Here, you use a good logic, even deflected. Indeed if the majority comes as a standard then those who do not comply with it are "abnormal". Thus the production of electricity in France is mainly nuclear and thereby becomes the norm (in France) and ecological electrics are abnormal thereby. Fortunately, these "other 1% (or more)" that loathe nuclear power exist to offer another alternative. The same goes for all Protestant philosophies, protesters of this abnormal "norm".
Who said: "this is not because the error is the result of more it turns into truth"ah, it's Gandhi:". Error does not become truth because it spreads and multiplies "
China a special case? Already 1,3 billion, and meat consumption is correlated to the physical and economic growth in general.
That's right and this should worry because its material growth poses the same problem as its meat consumption. Indeed to reach the current level of US consumption, it would take three planets to its raw materials and also three planets to its animal foodstuffs for Nourish and equip the global population. So there is a time when it gets stuck because it is not possible environmentally and humanly. But China saw its glorious thirties and already its economic explosion is reduced. India: Africa will take over with the same illusion that American-European model is reliable and viable and environmentally, it will worsen the global situation in terms of nutrients, except to develop voluntarily or conversely a diet almost exclusively vegetable. (animal consumption becoming again the privilege of a few wealthy)
In the US, it's much more fats and sugars that are responsible for obesity. Besides diets that work best are protein diets ...
This is partly true, but only partly because if good nutritional imbalance in a sense, the protein diets have other drawbacks as purveyors of many metabolic waste that result in diseases that are specific! It's like replacing a blind eye left with a blind right eye! Provided the protein diets are not exclusively of animal origin, many plants are provided and advantageously replace the animal protein as shown BY PRACTICE VG all top athletes cities.
Indeed if there is a good size and muscularly powerful carnivores; larger animals are vegetarians like the elephant, rhinoceros, hippopotamus, etc ... * and not less powerful muscularly; which shows, by ExampleThat the plant world offers all the possible varieties of food manufacturers.

* But these animals are not lost in the desert or the Arctic or Antarctic ice, they are wiser than us humans!
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by dede2002 » 30/04/16, 10:55

Obamot wrote:What it or not, everything that comes out of the land farms (and man, being the animal kingdom, is also included) : Mrgreen: needed vegetable protein to grow ...

... Whenever you eat animal products for their protein (that we do not have the means to do "differently"or that we have deliberately bet on this food mode) - this is an argument in the form of a lure on a purely nutritional level, because these proteins have"already served " - in other words, they are second category proteins, which once ingested and converted into "human proteins", will then be considered as 3rd category proteins having already been used three times and which will give: WE!

After only is it not going a little fast than to describe this type of scientific argument, ideological battle?

While there would not have to defend, with regard to oppose the suffering and death of animals is an ethical duty even in our time, which, of course, only goes in the right way...!


Hello,

I have a "stupid" question running through my head.

Is the calf suckling his mother fed animal protein?
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by Janic » 30/04/16, 16:21

Hello,
I have a "stupid" question running through my head.
Is the calf suckling his mother fed animal protein?
Yes and no! It is necessary to distinguish between animal protein derived from the flesh itself and secretory proteins such as milk or honey. In these last two cases there is no killing of its producers.
More delicate is the case where the eggs are not killed, apparently directly an animal for food. However, despite appearances, this is not an excretory product but a living by becoming (that will never be the case of milk, for example). This is what distinguishes VGL vegan vegetarian VGR. Some argue that if the egg is not fertilized the animal would lay still and it is true for farms but in nature, spawning accompanies fertilization. So it is a choice as to eat animals or not.
Finally in nature lactation all mothers cease when the small starts another food that will depend on the type of animal (human being in one, so do not forget).
But the natural and the human divorced for a long time with the drawbacks that result in health and strength of individuals, species (Darwinism!).
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by dede2002 » 30/04/16, 17:46

Thank you for the answer,

I did not think that honey is an animal secretion, I thought it was concentrated sugar flowers by bees?

For milk, it seems interchangeable between mammals they are herbivores or carnivores, hence my question about the technical difference between animal and plant protein, a calf is a priori not intended to eat animal protein.
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by Ahmed » 30/04/16, 18:11

The bee swallows the nectar of the flowers, returns to the hive and regurgitates a mixture of nectar and "personal" secretions (I know, it's not very "sales"! : Oops: ) That help conservation; Then the sugar is concentrated by evaporation until the proper moisture content *, then the cell is sealed ...

Cows are not designed to eat animal protein, but the calf is (milk! Sic!) On a temporary basis and form of milk only, that is to say a concentrated (growth hormones Inside) for the booster.

You write:
he (milk) Seems interchangeable between mammals, they are herbivores or carnivores

Not really, the compositions are close, but variations are the milk of other species is not always very well tolerated as inevitably less well suited.

* The bees are very particular about it!
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