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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by Ducres » 25/01/19, 17:48

Why not voltage and current in the poles of the charger without its connection to the battery.

I want to know why?
Do I change something?
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by izentrop » 25/01/19, 23:54

It is a smart charger, when you plug it into your battery, even HS, it detects the few residual volts and attempts the charge by sending the current.
As the current does not pass or very little, it directly supplies the maximum end of charge voltage.

I am not aware of the manual, but this operation is logical. Should be tested on a working battery to be sure. : Wink:
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by Christophe » 28/01/19, 12:39

Ducres wrote:Why not voltage and current in the poles of the charger without its connection to the battery.

I want to know why?
Do I change something?


As izentrop says, on "smart" chargers there is a feedback loop to analyze the battery before injecting (or not) current. So as long as the battery is not "analyzed" then there is no voltage.

It's the same for Lithium chargers.

You can't change this (at least easily).

If you want a charger that charges all the time, then you have to buy an old ferric type model (heavier, more powerful but less precise in regulation).
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by Christophe » 28/01/19, 12:45

Ducres wrote:And I have not yet found the way to solve the phenomenon of crystallization of sulphate with lead and it is a dry battery.


You can try this, it can work depending on the state of the battery:

https://www.econologie.com/telechargeme ... lomb-usee/
failure-unwinding-repairing / de-mounting-desulphation-to-battery lead t10422.html
(but this electronic assembly is generally now included in smart chargers)

Otherwise there is the magnesium sulfate method:

failure-payday-repair / regeneration Battery-to-lead-hs-sulphate-of-magnesium-t13054.html

The success rate of magnesium sulfate from my experience is 40% ...
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by Ducres » 28/01/19, 23:20

Is it possible to use ,? This same process with magnesium sulphate for a battery is to gel more precisely a Narada battery
- 12 volts
- 155 Amp hour
I just tested it gave 6.7 volts and 2.3 amps.
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by izentrop » 28/01/19, 23:54

Hello,
With these features in my opinion it will be a waste of time. Probably several broken down and irrecoverable lead plates.

See especially the comments of this video : Wink:
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by Christophe » 29/01/19, 10:47

izentrop wrote:Hello,
With these features in my opinion it will be a waste of time.


Never say never :)

A few years ago I recovered (with a smart charger and with astonishment) a battery which had dropped below 2V: failure-payday-repair / battery car arktis-jelly-voltage-a-1-6v-recuperable-t10418.html : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

If the smart charger does not want to take the charge (it was the case at 1,6V) we can pre-charge the battery with a ferric charger so that it raises the voltage to an "acceptable" value ...

It is necessary to know the history of the battery: a battery which has been cold and / or without charge for several years has very little chance of being recoverable ...

By cons I never managed to recover gel batteries (motorcycle) ...
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by izentrop » 29/01/19, 13:56

Christophe wrote:A few years ago I recovered (with an intelligent charger and with astonishment) a battery which had dropped below 2V: breakdown-troubleshooting-repair / battery-car-arktis-gelee-tension-a-1-6v- recuperable-t10418.html
If I understand correctly, it had little use, so had no time to deteriorate? And did you measure its capacity after recovery?

On the other hand, a battery that has 4 years of service and that gives up the soul in winter ?? just look at the condition of the plates, often deformed and measure element by element, if there are 2 plates in short circuit : Cry: ... : Mrgreen:
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by Christophe » 29/01/19, 14:11

Yes, she was only 3 years old but had not been used regularly ... (like I did not start the car which used it for 1 or 2 months in a row) ...

With battery chemistry there is a bit of chance: treat 2 strictly identical batteries in the same way, after a certain time, the electrical values ​​will differ

Not measured the capacity after recovery but it worked until the resale of the car (2 after I think)
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Re: Help request for Norauto NX 4010 loader




by Ducres » 29/01/19, 16:12

Hello I ask is this process with magnesium sulfate valid for a Gel battery for precisely a Narada battery (Acme-G range)
After testing the battery I found 6.7 volts and 2.3 amps. But the battery has a capacity of 12 volts and 155 amps hours.
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