Hydroelectric, artificial waterfall

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by Zypp0 » 22/08/13, 14:50

Ahmed: here we go, we start from an infinite potential energy, it's not the same thing as nothing.

Imagine a 4-sided dam in this volume of water that I call a tube or cylinder, and starting from there, the water rushes into part of it, then falls 100 meters lower on the turbine and then ends up in a water tank (empty). When the tank is full, it pours into the 2 bellows for expelling water (like the analogy of a lung or a gill to expel the energy used) because the weightless force for expelling water pulling the pocket to empty requires little effort which requires almost no energy compared to that generated and generated by the fall upstream. You only have to try with 1 prototype I did it halfway (without anti-pressure air valves), and I have no software simulator.
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by Zypp0 » 22/08/13, 15:18

Have I answered your question?


gegyx: yes yes answer better it's difficult lol, less well too. I understood that. But anyway you don't interest me! I will continue with the others much more instructive! thank you anyway for your good will.
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by Ahmed » 22/08/13, 15:35

An infinite potential energy (?) But unusable is very, very close to nothing! :P

You remain formally very obscure, eg. I find it hard to imagine a "tube or cylinder" with 4 sides!

More seriously and on the bottom, it seems to me that you start from the postulate that the mass of water having dissipated its energy at the time of the fall will be easy to go up thanks to a kind of pneumatic spring.
This is where the reasoning error lies: the amount of energy needed to "recycle" the water will be of the same order of magnitude as that recovered in the first step of the cycle.

But hey, maybe you prefer, as you proclaim it, "to continue with the others much more instructive", and especially much less rigorous and much more credulous?
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by gegyx » 22/08/13, 15:45

ZippO wrote:But anyway you don't interest me! I will continue with the others much more instructive! thank you anyway for your good will.

Too kind to you. You may know me too well, don't you?

it pours into the 2 bellows for expelling water (like the analogy of a lung or a gill to expel the energy used) because the weightlessness force for expelling water by pulling the pocket to emptying requires little effort which requires almost no energy compared to that generated and generated by the fall upstream.


Ah yes ? okay. Except that your statement "almost no energy compared" means nothing, and is wrong by the calculations.

You only have to try with 1 prototype I did it halfway (without anti-pressure air valves), and I have no software simulator.


As for your “half done” tests, to be conclusive, you would have to do them completely and then you would not be asking yourself this question.
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by Zypp0 » 22/08/13, 15:48

Ahmed: Yes, thank you.
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by Alain G » 22/08/13, 15:48

Given the turn and the way the newcomer responds to his stakeholders and his wacky project, I propose the locking of this subject!

We can see that he wants to hear what he wants and as it will be impossible since we have explained to him why it will not work ...

Zypo


I suggest you make your own prototype and you will understand what we are trying to explain to you!
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by Zypp0 » 22/08/13, 16:09

Alain G and brother (s): delete my account at the same time! here is my account will close. The new kid as you say is already almost an old one! ;)
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by Did67 » 22/08/13, 17:00

Be careful though that the sky - the clouds - does not fall on your head !!!

(considering all this infinite potential energy which descends by releasing so much energy and which rises by consuming so little! By the way, why not with bricks? They descend by rotating a dynamo and go up - all the masons will confirm! - almost effortlessly, to descend again! But I suggest you put a spring on arrival so that they can go up alone! When I think that EdF went so far as to build nuclear power plants when it was so simple !!!)
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by Alain G » 22/08/13, 17:20

Zypp0 wrote:Alain G and brother (s): delete my account at the same time! here is my account will close. The new kid as you say is already almost an old one! ;)


Your arrogance with those who try to explain to you the error which you do not take into account returning the ball with replicas that you certainly do not like but admits anyway that you have looked for it a little!

we ? you speak for 2? Do you have a twin? If I understand you you are 2, you are worth 2 and speak for 2 ... You don't speak much, and I don't understand you better either. To start correctly I will see with someone else thank you, I will let you understand little by little.




Despite everything, Gegyx remained polite and courteous!


Please note that we are not asking for your expulsion but a little courtesy on your part!
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by Zypp0 » 22/08/13, 17:24

Didi67: I tried it in my sink I know that the concept works (the water does not rise, it comes out at the bottom "plastic bag bellows") the discussion is closed and you can close the subject without further ado.
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