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by Did67 » 04/07/13, 15:48

I thought we were debating ideas.

We left to attack X which we claim is the type to think this or that ???

This is precisely what I did not want.

I call for an end to the attacks on people.
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by Ahmed » 04/07/13, 21:46

Obviously, when it comes to EELV, I was talking about the movement and the conceptions that drive it and not about people, many of whom are quite respectable (I know some of them).

Bamboo, you write:
Forgive me Ahmed, but you make a contradiction of it simply because you postulate that the economy is synonymous with infinite development.

I have nothing to forgive you! :P
If the economy is synonymous with infinite development, it is not by virtue of a postulate that I will have formulated, but by a simple observation. I have already widely explained the arguments for this headlong rush, perfectly consistent with its internal logic.
However, I remain ready to discuss it with you!
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by sen-no-sen » 04/07/13, 23:06

Ahmed wrote:If the economy is synonymous with infinite development, it is not by virtue of a postulate that I will have formulated, but by a simple observation. I have already widely explained the arguments for this headlong rush, perfectly consistent with its internal logic.
However, I remain ready to discuss it with you!


It is fair, but the economy as a human creation reproduces phenomena linked to our biological impulses, responsible but not totally guilty.

As a tool for domination, the economy has made it possible to satisfy the needs of humanity, but instead of remaining a tool, it is ultimately imposed as a finality ...
The phenomenon being retroactive, it acquires a power proportional to its use, hence its totalitarian and "totalizing" form that we can observe for several decades ...

It is nonetheless possible to create a virtuous economy, but it must be based on inalienable principles which it would be very difficult to impose by simple good will.
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by plasmanu » 05/07/13, 06:39

Shame on you Mr. President.
He smashed the flamby.

Delphine Batho accuses: the shale gas lobby wanted its head for weeks
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Two ecology ministers fired in a year for opposing the oil lobby


http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/france-monde ... b0n1387891
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by Remundo » 05/07/13, 08:59

So the two bell sounds ...

That of dirty energy lobbyists ...
The "Batho bashing" of oil tankers and electricians

The World | 04.07.2013

Of course, we know the official reasons for the dismissal of Delphine Batho from the Ministry of Ecology: her open criticism of the government's budgetary arbitrations, which cut by 7% the credits in her portfolio and cut 1 jobs in its area. By pronouncing the words "it's a bad budget", she showed, according to the Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, "a lack of solidarity and coherence" on "one of the major acts of a government: the budget".

Delphine Batho could be resigned all the more easily since, having moved away from Ségolène Royal, she had no political weight, unlike Arnaud Montebourg - expert in language deviations -, who had gathered 17% of the votes during the socialist primary.

NATIONAL DEBATE ON THE ENERGY TRANSITION

The minister is also paying the price for a "Batho bashing" for industrialists. "She mismanaged the national debate on energy transition, the conclusions of which are expected on July 18 and which has become an idiot trap for the government, faced with a major economic crisis. The executive is sensitive to the issue. the competitiveness of companies, linked to our low price of electricity, ”says one of the participants on the employers' side.

"However, he gets angry, Ms. Batho, against many opinions, wanted to take the head of the steering committee instead of delegating. We have warned her at least ten times that this debate was working on the head ... She didn't want to hear. " And to confirm that these complaints went back to Matignon: "But we were targeting the debate, not Batho ..."

REGULAR WEAPONS BETWEEN INDUSTRY AND ECOLOGY

The fight between environmentalists and industrialists is not new. Moreover, it is reflected, whether in a government of the left or the right, by regular arms passes between the holder of the industry portfolio and that of the environment.

On this point, Delphine Batho and Arnaud Montebourg were no exception to the rule. During the round table on energy transition organized during the environmental conference of September 14 and 15, 2012, where Delphine Batho was the star, Arnaud Montebourg, to show his boredom, conspicuously read an economic magazine whose cover touted the benefits of shale gas exploitation ... Delphine Batho was a target because she was not only Minister of Ecology, her portfolio also gave her energy, with two particularly sensitive issues: nuclear and shale gas.

NUCLEAR: IN THE FRONT LINE FACING THE EDF CEO

With François Hollande's promise to reduce the place of the atom in electricity production from 75% to 50% by 2025, and to close the Fessenheim power plant by the end of 2016, Delphine Batho is found on the front line facing the CEO of EDF, Henri Proglio, who "plays the watch" so that the closure of Fessenheim cannot be done technically and legally before the end of François Hollande's five-year term.

Thus, during his hearing, on April 18, by the national council of the debate on energy transition, Henri Proglio does not even deign to answer the question of Denis Baupin, vice-president of the National Assembly, who asks him whether he initiated the procedures for the closure of the Alsatian site. "It was a provocation vis-à-vis Delphine Batho, who was present in the room, estimates a representative of an NGO. The State is 85% shareholder of EDF. Mr. Proglio should have answered. . But unfortunately the minister did not say anything, did not lift a finger. "

TENSIONED DISCUSSIONS ON SHALE GAS

Another sensitive issue: shale gas. The law of July 13, 2011, the initiative of which returns to the old majority, prohibits hydraulic fracturing, the only technique available today to exploit these unconventional hydrocarbons. Faced with the Medef offensive, industrialists and the opposition - some of whom have largely forgotten that this law came from the UMP - who wish to reopen the debate in order to obtain the right to at least explore the money - French soil to have a better assessment of the reserves of gas and shale oil, the minister took a circular. This circular known as of September 21, 2012, which more strictly frames the law, requests, for example, the verification of the conformity of exploration drilling with the objectives set out in the mining permits granted.

Matignon was alerted to this zeal, and obviously, this was the subject of heated discussions at the Prime Minister, "said a senior official." When there were strong rumors about a possible reshuffle of the government after the resignation, in March, Jérôme Cahuzac from his post as Minister of the Budget, tells an expert present at the debate on the energy transition, the representatives of the industrialists increased the pressure on Delphine Batho, playing on her departure. The discussions became more tense and we felt that the Batho-Bashing was rising. "

Have the big bosses also given voice? In any case, Philippe Crouzet, Chairman of the Management Board of Vallourec, the world leader in seamless tubes used for drilling techniques in extreme conditions - which is the case for the exploitation of unconventional hydrocarbons - did not hide, during of press lunches "off", his dissatisfaction with the ecological policy carried out. This industrialist, also husband of Sylvie Hubac, director of cabinet of François Hollande, nevertheless denied having explained that "Delphine Batho was a real disaster" during one of her trips to the United States.



Source: The World

The magazine in question was supposed to be Usine Nouvelle last week, which covered the subject of Shale Gas.
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by Remundo » 05/07/13, 09:02

And the bell of the ex-Minister of Ecology, Delphine BATHO
Delphine Batho challenges economic lobbies

The World | 04.07.2013

The former minister of ecology Delphine Batho, ousted from the government on Tuesday, gave a very offensive press conference on Thursday, July 4 in the National Assembly, to explain the conditions of his dismissal.

She first felt that she had "made no mistake", and that "in no case" had she "failed in government solidarity" by criticizing the budget and the cuts in her portfolio - which is cut by 7% of its credits, with 1 jobs cut.

The former minister, on the contrary, implicated the Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, who now arbitrates, she believes, the budgets "without direct discussion with the ministers concerned". "My ousting is a message to my colleagues: to tell them that it is over, collegiality within the government," she said.


Delphine Batho also assured to have "requested the personal arbitration of Jean-Marc Ayrault" on the budget of his ministry. An allegation that made Bernard Cazeneuve, Minister responsible for the budget, react.

"When the ministers called for arbitrations in Matignon, meetings were held in Matignon in the presence of the Prime Minister and the ministers concerned so that the arbitrations which had to be made can be carried out (...)." However, according to him, the former minister of ecology did not request such a meeting, unlike his colleagues from overseas, work and national education.


The 2014 budget "marks a turning point in relation to the desire to carry out the ecological transition. I did not accept this in silence", also declared Ms. Batho. "It was not beyond our reach in terms of political choice." "What I do not accept is not to make compromises, it is the turning point of austerity which does not speak its name and which prepares the march to power of the far right in our country", she said again.


ASSIGNED TO "CERTAIN ECONOMIC FORCES"

To justify this "turning point", the former minister then accused the government of having yielded to "certain economic forces which did not accept the level of ambition that [I] set for the energy transition". "These forces did not hide from wanting my head, but if the government had been united, they would not have succeeded," she added.

As Minister of Ecology and Energy, Delphine Batho was, in fact, on the front line on the sensitive issues of shale gas and the reduction of the share of nuclear power in France. She had to face industrialists and oil companies, notably dissatisfied with the way it led the national debate on the energy transition, the conclusions of which are expected on July 18.

"Is it normal that the CEO of Vallourec announced my imminent fall weeks ago in the United States? What information did he have to find out? How come some of Matignon's advisers are saying bad things about me in the press? " she asked.

The former minister referred to Philippe Crouzet, chairman of the management board of Vallourec - world leader in seamless tubes used for drilling techniques in extreme conditions, which is the case for the exploitation of shale oil and gas -, whose wife, Sylvie Hubac, is François Hollande's chief of staff. Philippe Crouzet had never hidden, during "off" press lunches, his dissatisfaction with the ecological policy led by Ms. Batho. This industrialist nevertheless denied having explained that "Delphine Batho was a real disaster" during one of her trips to the United States.

"WHISTLEBLOWER"

"It is on ecology that the confrontation with the world of finance is focused. The forces opposed to change are powerful. The time has come to mobilize to face it", she then called, claiming "whistleblower" status. "The time has come to take back the hand of change, I call on the left to jump in favor of the ecology of hope and future generations," she added.

Asked about the rest of her career, the former minister PS, who is also MP for Deux-Sèvres and who will return to her seat in a month, claimed to have "no specific project". She nevertheless thinks of bringing "her help and her experience" to the foundation of Nicolas Hulot.

Source: The World
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by bamboo » 05/07/13, 10:25

I would also have put this in red
Vallourec, the world leader in seamless tubes used for drilling techniques in extreme conditions [...] This industrialist, also the husband of Sylvie Hubac, cabinet director of François Hollande [...]
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by Remundo » 05/07/13, 12:26

there would be so many things to point out and to reveal that we would spend our nights there, and it is better perhaps not to know everything because it is not highly recommendable.

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by chatelot16 » 05/07/13, 12:38

what I do not understand: it is that it should have passed the critics through other voices of the ecological party, which are there for that!

by being fired for awkward criticism it allowed to pass the ecolo for branquignol once more

environmentalists really need to organize themselves to look after their image
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by Remundo » 05/07/13, 21:34

hmmm ... in my opinion we don't know everything ... There must be occult power struggles, even suitcases of tickets here and there.

Like everyday life :?
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