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MYRTLE Corsica store solar electricity into hydrogen
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It’s limited to the understatement but I’m happysherkanner wrote:Dedelco, Argumentum ad nauseam <- you start to get painful the ...
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A simple search on the name of the site, which I will be happy to not name to give it even more importance, brings out 227 answers
dedeleco, even if the solution you proposed would have been the Holy Grail of econology, you have so clumsily repressed it like spam selling the virtues of Viagra, that it causes an epidermal reaction on me and many others , I imagine.
In short, please me (as well as to others) by stopping this unbearable spam excessively, which only discredits you and your speech ...
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I still agree with dedelco's arguments. But like all solutions, they need time to develop, and it would be a shame to miss out on a revolution because we absolutely want to implement this or that solution.
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When we work, we must always give 100%: 12% on Monday; 25% Tuesday; 32% Wednesday; 23% on Thursday; and 8% on Friday
When, by sinking the good profitable solutions of the scorned renewable, with expensive and inefficient renewable energy, in favor of nuclear power, you will have evacuated an entire radioactive region by a French Fukushima, like for example in the Rhône valley, and Switzerland well contaminated by the southwest winds, those who will have nausea AD NAUSEAM radioactive, will not be only me, able to change region between 91 and 83.
Aussi I insist whenever I notice repeated nonsense !!!
Aussi I insist whenever I notice repeated nonsense !!!
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I will answer the story of thermal storage in the ground on the right subject, not here ...
to store the photovoltaic electricity the passage through the thermal is without interest
the electrolysis hitch, hydrogen storage, and fuel cell works but is very sad performance
the performance of an electrolyser can be good provided it is done with large electrode area
the fuel cell also requires large areas of electrodes to hope for a good performance, except that these platinum electrodes cost too much, so we always make them too small and in poor performance
the optimum solution has been around for a long time! make the lead electrolyser: it does not produce hydrogen, the energy remains in lead, it avoids the costs of storing hydrogen, and it is reversible it makes electricity without the need for a fuel cell separated from the electrolyser
I am not saying that the lead battery is the ideal solution, but it is better than the fuel cell electrolyser team: better on all levels, better in performance, cheaper in construction price ... and more conventional and already commercially available
to store the photovoltaic electricity the passage through the thermal is without interest
the electrolysis hitch, hydrogen storage, and fuel cell works but is very sad performance
the performance of an electrolyser can be good provided it is done with large electrode area
the fuel cell also requires large areas of electrodes to hope for a good performance, except that these platinum electrodes cost too much, so we always make them too small and in poor performance
the optimum solution has been around for a long time! make the lead electrolyser: it does not produce hydrogen, the energy remains in lead, it avoids the costs of storing hydrogen, and it is reversible it makes electricity without the need for a fuel cell separated from the electrolyser
I am not saying that the lead battery is the ideal solution, but it is better than the fuel cell electrolyser team: better on all levels, better in performance, cheaper in construction price ... and more conventional and already commercially available
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indeed Chatelot, but CEA likes hydrogen a lot ...chatelot16 wrote:I will answer the story of thermal storage in the ground on the right subject, not here ...
to store the photovoltaic electricity the passage through the thermal is without interest
the electrolysis hitch, hydrogen storage, and fuel cell works but is very sad performance
the performance of an electrolyser can be good provided it is done with large electrode area
the fuel cell also requires large areas of electrodes to hope for a good performance, except that these platinum electrodes cost too much, so we always make them too small and in poor performance
the optimum solution has been around for a long time! make the lead electrolyser: it does not produce hydrogen, the energy remains in lead, it avoids the costs of storing hydrogen, and it is reversible it makes electricity without the need for a fuel cell separated from the electrolyser
I am not saying that the lead battery is the ideal solution, but it is better than the fuel cell electrolyser team: better on all levels, better in performance, cheaper in construction price ... and more conventional and already commercially available
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Indeed Chatelot, but lead, would there be enough for everyone?
And why would lead be better than iron? Since in all catalysis, no matter is degraded during the process, I would prefer the solution of EPFL, use FE2 (iron) with process of storage of hydrogen in formic acid ...> as already suggested.
And there is not the weight of lead to transport, except that of iron in very small quantities.
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Dedelco, Argumentum ad nauseam <- you start to get painful the ...
... causes an epidermal reaction on me and on many others, I imagine. In short, please me (as well as to others) by stopping this unbearable spam excessively, which only discredits you and your speech ...
Deco believes that to convince, you have to shout loudly and accuse others of not wanting to understand. But it gets the opposite result. When I see his posts in bold, I jump to the next page, it became a reflex. Too bad, thermal storage in the ground is an interesting technique for heating some homes, if the basement is suitable. But Deco does not explain how to use this process to smooth power consumption.
Formic acid is a convenient way to transport hydrogen to generators equipped with fuel cells.
I also remember posts describing the reversible reaction of electrolytes stored in large fixed tanks perhaps more economical and more durable than lead-acid batteries. Does somebody have any information ?
http://www.habiter-autrement.org/12.ene ... 9_ener.htm
"The wind power station on King Island, an island in southern Australia, has been experimenting since 2003 with a circulating accumulator which stores the excess electricity produced when the wind blows hard to release it when it weakens."
See post of Freddau :
https://www.econologie.com/forums/comment-me ... t3036.html
"This works with 70 liters of vanadium sulfate solution stored in large metal tanks, and can deliver 000 kilowatts for two hours at a stretch. Since its commissioning, the average share of wind power in the The island's network has grown from around 400% to 12% ”.
http://www.consoglobe.com/eoliennes-sai ... te-1712-cg
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