Energie du vide: an official return

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by Tagor » 15/12/08, 14:30

indy49 wrote:I also doubt that, even if it exists, this vacuum energy is exploitable.



actually starting from this irrefutable principle it becomes unusable
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by Tagor » 15/12/08, 14:43

Hydraxon wrote:Now, no, there is no reason to hope that it will work. Let's not forget that energy conservation has survived all of these discoveries or assumptions.



by quoting, me too, our famous Jean-Michel Cour "In the XIXth century, the experienced thermodynamicists would never have believed in the nuclear power station"

and I would add how many times will we listen to these nonsense?
who claims to violate energy conservation?
is this a demonstration?
does experience not prevail over theory?
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by bamboo » 15/12/08, 15:23

Tagor wrote:
indy49 wrote:I also doubt that, even if it exists, this vacuum energy is exploitable.



actually starting from this irrefutable principle it becomes unusable


Don't get mad Tagor ...
I just find that we are still dangling free and infinite energies ... Energy, there is everywhere, and yet we lack ...
We better worry about limiting our consumption ...
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by renaud67 » 15/12/08, 15:25

Certainly but very certainly that if we put part of the 26 billion € that we give to car manufacturers to develop clean energies we would have more results in any case from an ecological point of view.
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by Tagor » 15/12/08, 15:38

renaud67 wrote:Certainly but very certainly that if we put part of the 26 billion € that we give to car manufacturers to develop clean energies we would have more results in any case from an ecological point of view.


I doubt that the cheap energy will allow the planet to get better
but actually a little more credibility (and credit) for
the alternative solutions would not be worse
and above all free the obtuse minds
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by Tagor » 15/12/08, 18:26

indy49 wrote:I just find that we are still dangling free and infinite energies ...


is it to make the nuclear pill swallow smoothly?
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by bamboo » 16/12/08, 09:51

Tagor wrote:
indy49 wrote:I just find that we are still dangling free and infinite energies ...


is it to make the nuclear pill swallow smoothly?

:?: Nuclear power is an example of "infinite and inexpensive" energy that we have been dangling for a long time. It is because of this that today it is difficult to do without it: for example, electric heating has been very successful in France because electricity was not expensive ...

If the energy of the vacuum is an infinite energy and recoverable properly, that's good! But let's not believe it too much for the moment: It only gives false reasons for not reducing our consumption!
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by Tagor » 27/12/08, 09:45

Hydraxon wrote:Now, no, there is no reason to hope that it will work. Let's not forget that energy conservation has survived all of these discoveries or assumptions.


yes definitely ...
is this a demonstration?
before affirming, it might be useful to read this document

Title: Of the Black Hole Thermodynamics
Authors: Xinyong Fu
Comments: 13 pages
Subjects: General Physics (physics.gen-ph)
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0501056

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http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0311104
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by Tagor » 27/12/08, 09:51

indy49 wrote:
If the energy of the vacuum is an infinite energy and recoverable properly, that's good! But let's not believe it too much for the moment: It only gives false reasons for not reducing our consumption!


it gives more strength to strive towards energy autonomy
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by Capt_Maloche » 19/05/09, 17:19

Capt_Maloche wrote:The cover page of the article on Science and life Special edition of September 2008
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Be careful, (I see the budding free energy researchers coming :D ) this notion of vacuum energy is extremely complex to grasp, of the same order as the notion of infinity

For the moment, in the state of our poor knowledge of the world, on a quantum scale the calculations predict 10 exp 112 Joules per m3 of space !!! and 115 times less with the still unrestricted theory of relativity (E = mC²)
energy is matter and vice versa

and when 2 valid theories are also divergent on such a subject, there is reason to question everything

Stunning! you wanted science fiction LieTseu?
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