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by Remundo » 20/10/08, 15:10

Capt_Maloche wrote:A little Up of circumstances

So? how to recover energy from fluctuations in the zero point?

with an electric arc Remundo?

Uh ....

Do you know what the energy of the quantum vacuum and the dark energy of the universe is?

I don't know, however, I have a lot of years of study behind me in physics.

Beware because these energies are above all theoretical, their existence is not formally proven.

And it is not obvious even if they exist that the laws of physics allow us to exploit them ...

Besides, we don't really need it : Idea: Renewable sun in mind amply meet anthropogenic needs.
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by delnoram » 20/10/08, 17:20

Remundo wrote: Besides, we don't really need it : Idea: Renewable sun in mind amply meet anthropogenic needs.


Anthropics of cancer? Heuheu : Oops: : Mrgreen:
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by Remundo » 07/11/08, 23:44

Ah, I had not seen the valve, nice capricorn : Cheesy:
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by Hydraxon » 11/11/08, 23:04

Remundo wrote:
Capt_Maloche wrote:A little Up of circumstances

So? how to recover energy from fluctuations in the zero point?

with an electric arc Remundo?

Uh ....

Do you know what the energy of the quantum vacuum and the dark energy of the universe is?

Beware because these energies are above all theoretical, their existence is not formally proven.

And it is not obvious even if they exist that the laws of physics allow us to exploit them ...


Dark energy is just a term added to the equations of cosmology. It is not that we have not proven that it exists, it is that physically we do not know what it is.

Vacuum energy has been proven to exist, no problem, it's the Casimir effect.

Now, no, there is no reason to hope that it will work. Let's not forget that energy conservation has survived all of these discoveries or assumptions.
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by Capt_Maloche » 12/11/08, 19:39

As long as we don't know what it is, dreams are allowed :D
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by Gregconstruct » 12/11/08, 19:41

and the nightmare too : Mrgreen:
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by Tagor » 11/12/08, 08:05

Hydraxon wrote:Vacuum energy has been proven to exist, no problem, it's the Casimir effect.

Now, no, there is no reason to hope that it will work. Let's not forget that energy conservation has survived all of these discoveries or assumptions.


yet someone has imagined a way to recover this energy

http://philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=138

A QED-model for the Energy of the Vacuum and an Explanation of its Conversion into Mechanical Energy

Claus W. Turtur (Fachbereich Elektrotechnik, University of Applied Sciences Braunschweig-Wolfenbuettel)


Published in physic.philica.com

Abstract
The energy density of the vacuum is still one of the unsolved questions in physics. Principally it should be possible to calculate this energy density by summing up the energy of all zero point oscillations of the vacuum. The problem is that this sum leads to a divergent improper integral. An approach to a solution is found within the theory of Geometrodynamics, however this approach is considered skeptical nowadays and it is in contradiction with measurements of Astrophysics.
The present work introduces a new solution for the convergence problem of the improper integral on the basis of Quantum electrodynamics (where improper integrals are solved), coming to values ​​appearing realistic. The only necessary postulate is: It is known that the speed of propagation of electromagnetic waves is influenced by electric and magnetic DC-fields. The postulate is now to assume, that the zero point oscillations of the vacuum display the same behavior.
But the article is not restricted to theoretical calculations of the energy of the zero point oscillations of the vacuum; it also goes back to the experimental verification and to the utilization of those zero point oscillations in laboratory giving a theoretical (quantumelectrodynamical) explanation of the operation of the experiment, which already has been successfully conducted.


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energy conservation has survived all of these discoveries or assumptions.

at least miscroscopically there are exceptions
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by Grelinette » 11/12/08, 09:49

"The energy of the vacuum has been proven to exist, no problem, it's the Casimir effect".

I think that the Casimir effect is the convergence of the Butterfly effect and the Spaghetti effect!

- On the one hand there are phenomena so insignificant that it is difficult to measure them and to measure their consequence, it is the Butterfly effect
- On the other hand, there are so many apparent phenomena that interact with each other that it is currently impossible for us to know and understand what are the causes and effects of each phenomenon, it is the spaghetti effect !
It's exactly like a spaghetti dish: we see that there are many but we are incapable, in the current state of knowledge (culinary :D ) to say where a spaghetti starts and where it stops and what is its influence on the neighboring spaghetti!

Of course, the next time you eat spaghetti, a dish that is ultimately very scientific, you will not see it the same way! :P
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by Tagor » 11/12/08, 10:02

Grelinette wrote:I think that the Casimir effect is the convergence of the Butterfly effect and the Spaghetti effect!


very interesting all these effects!
but does that allow us to conclude that the vacuum energy is exploitable?
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by bamboo » 11/12/08, 11:20

I also doubt that, even if it exists, this vacuum energy is exploitable.

We have lots of energy around us. How much can we use? Very little (and it's probably not worse because we would consume even more ...)

For example the earth turns so if we connected a cable between the moon and the earth, we could activate a dynamo and produce energy ...
Good, fortunately it is not materially possible to do it because otherwise we would have already found a gusse which would have done it to power its heating parasol : Evil: (HS: I just saw an ad, and it annoys me that people buy it rather than putting on a vest ...).
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