Between dreams and realities in Germany

[sen-no-sen]

By tampering on the net you must be able to find that ...

It is not necessarily up to me to search since it is not me who says!

Did you read the article ...?

[sicetaitsimple]

Did you read the article ...?

No, not available beyond the first two sentences.
It’s about trade, right? No consequences in terms of relocation / localization of CO2 emissions?

[sen-no-sen]

Did you read the article ...?

No, not available beyond the first two sentences.
It’s about trade, right? No consequences in terms of relocation / localization of CO2 emissions?

Who says trade exchanges says exchange of energy, of raw materials, it is consubstantial.

[sicetaitsimple]

Who says trade exchanges says exchange of energy, of raw materials, it is consubstantial.

You teach me something!

The question you raised is Germany's CO2 balance in terms of relocation. And I answered you, certainly yes, but Germany is a major exporter and therefore emits CO2 which is not emitted elsewhere. What is the balance sheet? It is certainly "consubstantial" (it does not eat bread, he will look for the meaning on the internet when he does not know it, you never know, in any case I am happy ....) , but what are you talking about in numbers?

[izentrop]

It is the IPCC which announces that the Germans emit twice as much CO2 as the French. This means that our energy policy is the best and yet we are following that of the Germans. The rest is literature.

Certainly, but beware, the photo of a given moment is not necessarily the reflection of a trend.
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You show the country's overall emissions, but Germany emits ten times more CO2 per kilowatt-hour produced than France.

The figure put forward by Bruno Retailleau is true: "There is indeed a factor of 10 on the CO2 emission rate per KWh : France is around 50 grams, Germany between 400 and 600 depending on the year ", explains Sylvain David, CNRS researcher at the Orsay Institute of Nuclear Physics." But this is not due to renewable energies. : it is linked to the fact that Germany continues to make a lot of its electricity with coal and gas, ”he explains.

"Germany has chosen to massively increase renewables, quite impressively, to compensate for the closure of nuclear power plants rather than coal and gas plants: in fact, CO2 emissions are not falling very quickly.
"Gray" emissions have little influence
It is therefore the distribution of energy rather than the switch to renewable energy that explains this enormous difference between France and Germany. Because conversely, France has given a considerable place (more than 70% of the energy consumed) to nuclear which, although dangerous and a producer of harmful waste, does not generate any CO2: "In production, nuclear as well as photovoltaic and wind power do not produce CO2 emissions: there is no combustion of coal, gas or oil during the production of electricity, ”explains Sylvain David.

What about what are called "gray" emissions, ie those which are not directly associated with the production of electricity but with the construction of equipment. "For nuclear and wind power, they are very low, around 10g / KWh. Photovoltaic is higher, around 80g / KWh - but often, photovoltaic panels are produced in China, not in France or in France. Germany. All this is still very far from gas and coal, which respectively produce around 500 and 1000g of CO2 / KWh. https://www.franceinter.fr/environnemen ... -la-france

This patatooid shows the difference between Germany and France in electric CO2 production
http://huet.blog.lemonde.fr/2019/05/06/ ... -europeen/

[sicetaitsimple]

I found that. It doesn't answer the question about Germany, but it's interesting anyway.

If I understand correctly, at the European level, the CO2 emissions avoided linked to the imports of various goods ("delocalized emissions") would be of the same order of magnitude (1,18 to 1,29) as those caused by the manufacture of products intended for for export outside Europe.

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[sicetaitsimple]

You show the country's overall emissions, but Germany emits ten times more CO2 per kilowatt-hour produced than France.

Yes, absolutely, it's interesting anyway, isn't it?

[izentrop]

You show the country's overall emissions, but Germany emits ten times more CO2 per kilowatt-hour produced than France.

Yes, absolutely, it's interesting anyway, isn't it?

Not in comparison of the 2 countries;)
Here the period is incomplete but after 2010, we see the upward trend on the German side http://perspective.usherbrooke.ca/bilan ... s=avecNomP

[sicetaitsimple]

Not in comparison of the 2 countries;)
Here the period is incomplete but after 2010, we see the upward trend on the German side

Yes, this is the Fukushima effect in 2011/2012. But it has started going down since.

[izentrop]

What Janco says in front of the deputies, after swearing to tell the whole truth