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by dedeleco » 13/06/10, 14:20

Did67 wrote
- what is this bazaar, "the energy produced will be 143 Megawatts" ??? As far as I know, megawatts is a power; ditto for the EPR ...

- so we compare powers? Or are we comparing quantities of energy produced? And then, which period? With what availability rates? And then too, with what operating costs?

In short, compare powers in relation to investments is anything ... As far as I know, the sun does not shine day and night, even in Lorraine (by the way, what an idea to put this in Lorraine?).

And compare energy production and investment, it is also impoetq uoi. Because operating costs are not at all the same! Moreover, without specifying for how long.


The journalists are not precise with the figures, it is not known if it is peak or average power over one year (factor 3), but nuclear makes fun of people even more with the waste dramatically underestimated for their cost of management over hundreds of years left to our grandchildren in perpetuity, and more seriously and worse by the total and dramatically false silence on a new Chernobyl inevitable sooner or later since men will never be completely infallible!! (almost infinite factor)

When this accident, considered impossible (even more impossible than that of BP in Louisiana), will have happened, sterilizing for a millennium an entire contaminated region, after evacuation in one day, with an incalculable number of deaths (over 40 years), and a economic cost even more dramatic and enormous, killing for centuries economically an entire region (example Lyon or in Alsace, no more people, more cultures, real estate prices reduced to zero!!), then the true cost of nuclear will appear infinitely higher than solar, but it will be too late, forced to leave France for not eating radioactive food, if one is rich enough !!

Finally, solar has a low operating cost, once installed, next to nuclear, which sees its cost grow over time like radioactivity, waste and disaster!!

Such declarations inspired by the nuclear lobby via the press, lead us to irreparable catastrophe sooner or later by blinding the French, who are like ostriches who do not see the danger!!

By the way, the Germans made the opposite choice of the French, against nuclear power, and they don't see the nearby nuclear power stations in Alsace in a good light, because radioactivity has no borders!!
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by sen-no-sen » 13/06/10, 20:40

Obamot wrote:You probably meant: "decentralized"? 8)


So much for me! thank you Obamot.
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by Obamot » 14/06/10, 02:17

sen-no-sen wrote:Developing large photovoltaic solar power plants is, I think, nonsense, photovoltaics is by nature a device that must be decentralized...
If EDF really wanted to do their part, it would develop South region concentration of solar and solar would implant islands in the Mediterranean ...
The idea for them is to make renewable energy that do not compromise the nuclear sector.

Absolutely, I share your point of view. There is more and more talk of covering buildings and roofs with photovoltaic films in cities. It bodes well.

dedeleco wrote:via the press, lead us to irreparable catastrophe sooner or later by blinding the French, who are like ostriches who do not see the danger!

By the way, the Germans made the opposite choice of the French, against nuclear power, and they don't see the nearby nuclear power stations in Alsace in a good light, because radioactivity has no borders!!


It is hardly reassuring indeed when one takes a very critical look at the "regional cultural practices" in terms of prevention and safety. Example: negligence in influence peddling between EADS, Air France, Thales and the BEA regarding the thorny issue of flight 447! (Denounced by several media) By dint of robots, tapping by underwater robots, with the cutting edge of acoustic technology in buildings with inaudible immersion... and we would not have found the wreckage?

Beautiful proof of total impotence! Beautiful illustration of unconsciousness and human fallibility... Well, I'll stop there, the Gulf of Mexico is not in France... : Cry:
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by hic » 14/06/10, 19:54

dedeleco wrote:
600 millions for 100 mega-Watts.

6 € the Watt or 6000 € the KW with the additional expenses for an eternity of 30 to 50ans
Sounds reasonable for a first achievement ???
A mini 2000h year must 30ans to cushion € 0,1 in KWh !!
In the desert it is rather 3000h / year thus amortized in 20ans ??

The well-designed heat could be faster to dampen ???

hi dedeleco
To give you an idea of ​​what a desert is,
you should know that the UV index in Sirie is 11.

That is to say the UV equivalent in France of Mont Blanc

(UVc appear from 3000m)

In summer, you cook "fried eggs"
on the hood of the car.

*****************DESERTEC = 8Kwh/m2/day*****************

A documentary
Odeillo, tamed the sun (2002)

** http://www.canal-u.fr/producteurs/scien ... voise_2002 **
** http://www.science.gouv.fr/fr/telescien ... pprivoise/ **

(and 10 Kwh/m2/day in space, it seems to me)

Some don't come out often (not even on the Internet) : Lol:
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