Can we make the ecological transition without nuclear power?

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by sen-no-sen » 13/11/21, 20:44

To get back to the heart of the matter:
Number of reactors, obsolescence, weight in the electricity mix ... The French nuclear fleet in four graphs

The President of the Republic, Emmanuel Macron, announced Tuesday evening the relaunch of France's nuclear program. The opportunity for franceinfo to take stock, in infographics, on the weight of this energy in our country and the state of the fleet of power plants.


https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/nucleaire/infographies-nombre-de-reacteurs-vetuste-poids-dans-le-mix-electrique-le-parc-nucleaire-francais-en-quatre-graphiques_4839669.html
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 13/11/21, 20:48

Tricastin nuclear power plant: an executive denounces "a policy of concealment" of incidents and files a complaint against EDF
An executive from the Tricastin nuclear power plant, in the Drôme, is filing a complaint against EDF which he accuses of carrying out "a policy of concealing" incidents, franceinfo learned Friday, November 12 from his lawyers William Bourdon and Vincent Brengarth, confirming a information from the newspaper Le Monde.

This executive claims the status of whistleblower. He filed his complaint with the Paris prosecutor's office on October 5. This desire to conceal incidents concerns in particular the ten-year inspection of the Tricastin power plant in order to obtain authorization for operation beyond 40 years.
The complainant suffered "reprisals"

This man in his forties is now on sick leave because his position within the plant has led to a deterioration in his relations with the management of the plant.

"It is because (he) denounced what amounts to a policy of concealment and refused to lend his assistance to operations aimed at maintaining the opacity of certain incidents that he will do so. 'object of an extremely brutal and unjustified eviction ", affirm to AFP his lawyers Mes William Bourdon and Vincent Brengarth in the complaint. According to them, their client suffered "reprisals", "in a climate of very authoritarian management, linked in particular to production objectives".

The complaint was filed for breaches of regulations relating to nuclear installations, the environmental code and labor law, endangering the lives of others and harassment.
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/nuc ... 42217.html
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by ABC2019 » 13/11/21, 23:18

Ahmed wrote:Is Bernard Arnault, who has X times the median income, lives X times better than the latter? Why reduce a quality to a quantity? Does that make any sense?


yes you are right finally this is what must be said to Indians and Africans: your GDP / capita is 5 times lower than ours, but it does not matter since it is not what counts, the GDP it's old-fashioned, you have to get out of all that, and that doesn't mean that you live 5 times less well, so be content!

it's like what a boss could say to his employees as well.
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by Ahmed » 14/11/21, 12:27

My words followed that of Sen-no-sen which evoked "a threshold of material dignity" and not to a comparison with the countries "behind" of modernity ... No need therefore to demonstrate once again your ability to act as if you did not understand anything.

As an ideology, capitalism has a vocation for universality, however its capacity to produce the type of wealth which is linked to it is severely limited, in that it assumes an irreducible mass of poor people to ensure the prosperity of others. Encouraging them to go in the current direction is not really a good idea ...
The idea of ​​degrowth, which is clumsy because it is insufficient to describe what is desirable, supposes that it does not apply primarily to those who have nothing ... : Mrgreen:
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by humus » 14/11/21, 12:43

Keep your message carefully to copy / paste, I think it will be used again, given the character's habits.

Ahmed wrote: There is therefore no need to demonstrate once again your ability to act as if you do not understand anything.

I am not sure that he pretends not to understand, I unfortunately believe that he understands nothing, or little. A learned dog : roll:
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Ahmed wrote:My words followed that of Sen-no-sen which evoked "a threshold of material dignity" and not to a comparison with the countries "behind" of modernity ... No need therefore to demonstrate once again your ability to act as if you did not understand anything.

if I understood correctly, it's not good to be rich, but it's sad to be poor. : Wink:

La Fontaine had already understood everything!

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Renard_et_les_Raisins
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by sen-no-sen » 14/11/21, 16:51

Poverty is only defined in relation to wealth, which in turn is determined by the degree of energy dissipation of the economic agents that make up a type of society considered.
This level is calculated in relation to a median standard of living, from which a "threshold" (, of poverty, median, of wealth) is worked out.
This determination is relative from one country or from one era to another.
The way of life of the 50s of the French middle classes corresponds to the current threshold of precariousness ... Were the French more or less happy then?
Once out of social (material and cultural) unworthiness, there is no serious indicator to define a correlation between happiness and possession.
The reason for this is neurological: there is no direct coupling between a quantity of wealth and a level of gratification.
On the other hand, within an economic field, the difference in potential between individuals is capable of creating (by mimetic rivalry) a phenomenon of depreciation.
In principle and beyond the said limit threshold, it is therefore not a problem of gradient,but of potential difference.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 14/11/21, 20:12

ABC2019 wrote:La Fontaine had already understood everything!

And you, still nothing to nothing! Nice balance. : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 15/11/21, 18:20

abcon
if I understood correctly, it's not good to be rich, but it's sad to be poor. : Wink:
big asshole doesn't understand the simplest things. Wealth is always at the expense of the "poorest" and these "poor" are only because others accumulate their wealth on their backs.
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by Obamot » 15/11/21, 18:55

humus wrote:We do not always realize it, but the energy transition that we must operate to face the ecological emergency, requires in most scenarios a change of society. Because energy is at the heart of our lives, so ubiquitous that we don't even realize it anymore, until its prices rise or we no longer have access to it.

Therefore, what social project do we want for our energy transition? Can we imagine a future without nuclear power? And how to make this transition to a more sober future? We are going to answer all these questions with Yves Marignac, Négawatt spokesperson for this new Blast interview on our energy futures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXnnjAu0L9I
I don't know if it has already been said, in this case my apologies, but the title of your thread suffers from problems of semantics and / or syntax while not properly identifying the causes that would be the basis for having a vision 3D remarks and questions ... in short, it is poorly put! He suggests that we would have a choice (whether we like it or not) ”to make the ecological transition without nuclear power" ...gold:

1) It would be fine if this source of energy were new, but it has been omnipresent since the sixties ...

2) it is therefore, “as is” already nothing possible to do without it ...

3) and therefore the answer is: “NO, not possible to make the ecological transition without nuclear power”(But let's go further)

4) because, by this fact, we are already for a long time in this “transition”Which began before PIC OIL, and which sees the emergence of vehicles with other modes of propulsion than heat engines. (In particular: hybrids, electric, gas, ethanol, hydrogen ... And so nuclear has something to do with it ..

5) because energy for the sovereignty of states is a central and crucial datum - this is why (again without trying too hard), this sector and that of transport are strategic sectors in military matters and are linked to the staffs of the armies - in time of war it is necessary to supply the army with energy and to protect the populations from any related blackmail, as long as it is necessary to heat the buildings in winter, to supply refrigerators and electric hobs, etc.)

6) suddenly we have the decor which is set and which goes beyond any hint of choice or non-choice in the background since I would say that it goes beyond the search for these, making it impossible as it is the beautiful philosophical principles or societal axis (which still depend too much on the energy sector to reach the stage of emancipation or any form of ideal on which they ultimately depend, could only be realized if the problem is resolved upstream, i.e. the equation : abstract values ​​/ debt / energy, since “economy merging with energy”, This duo is itself a vector of wars in the first place, if it is not resolved.

So it's not:
- “Therefore, what social project do we want for our energy transition“?

But rather:
- “Would we have the capacity to change the paradigm of current society before making the energy transition”?

Since this would consist of getting out of the circle of profits based on energy determinism, of getting out of “ultra-military dependency”Linked to energies and“security of supply dear to tacticians”Which is imposed on us through this / s, to move towards a more virtuous circle / s which will then give (in) t the luxury of being able to think about making the energy transition of your wishes“ [/ i]

We can't put the cart before the horse all the same ...
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