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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby Christophe » 08/01/19, 12:35

Leonel wrote:The price of oil is only the drop of water that broke the camel, (...).


Hi and welcome here! Agree with you: you made a summary of what we said above ... 8)

The controversial news of the day:

Christophe Dettinger: the boxer's support kitty is controversial

VIDEO. A call for donations for the man, in police custody for striking gendarmes, was launched on the site Leetchi. It exceeds 100 000 euros.


Christophe Dettinger seems to be still appreciated by the yellow Vests. A pot of support was launched Sunday, in the evening, on the site Leetchi, to help this former boxer, arrested Monday and placed in custody for beating police during Act VIII of the mobilization. Tuesday morning, according to information reported by Le Figaro, she already had more than 117 000 euros and thousands of comments support. Most of the money would have been collected in the 24 last hours, says the daily. It is no longer possible at the moment to see the amount of the pot, because it was masked in the morning.

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And the explanation video:

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Unread Messageby Christophe » 09/01/19, 11:18

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Unread Messageby Janic » 09/01/19, 11:30

To attack political leaders directly at home or at their workplace. A process increasingly used in France. And that recalls a mode of action: the escrache.
that is what the French revolution, which the Republicans claim, has to do with the nobility and the clergy, and it has moved more than with the yellow vests.
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 09/01/19, 11:54

We do not make a revolution by giving duck bread ...
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 09/01/19, 12:06

Grelinette wrote:
Janic wrote:GJ women's demonstration was interesting too! the breakers (men) can not be introduced among these angry, but peaceful women, and therefore really representative of this ras the general bowl of which Macron is not directly responsible, but where he strives to want to hug the fire with gasoline.

This initiative of feminine manifestation is interesting to 2 titles:

- on the one hand, it effectively discerns the peaceful GJ protesters from the thugs,

- on the other hand, it also makes it possible to counter the misinformation of certain media on the exclusively violent nature of this popular movement.


Here is a video that shows that it will not work:

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Unread Messageby nico239 » 09/01/19, 12:11

The responsibility is shared.

As I said in my pre-movement decoding, Macron's management technique is inherited from the big corporate consulting firms.

So we are very open to DISCUSSION with a big D.

What they have not stopped doing with the unions include: Laurent Berger to listen again on France Inter .... among others.

They argue, they argue, just as Macron does in the streets ...

But in the end they are always right and, as in the wishes: we do not deviate one iota of the program / project for which we were hired, while putting pink on the walls here and a coffee machine bio equitable to all floors.

And voilou.

And all legitimate and often very intelligent claims are made vertical rankings.

So the discussions (and, seen from their side is very clever), not to mention the palaver only serve to OCCUPY the unions by giving them grist to grind towards their base saying we spent X meetings, we were received, we worked ... yes but in the end for NOTHING concrete.

So we come to the Yellow Vests ... the same method is used with the difference that the GJ got upset, which the unions clean on them do not do.

And the dramatic, deplorable SIGNAL, whatever you want, launched by the power is that in the end it is by "breaking" that we obtain.

Catastrophic consequence for all the social dialogue, for the intermediary bodies brief for the whole of democracy.

When I said a few months ago in a letter of distribution to friends that Macron was breaking France I was hardly mistaken.
The worst is especially the removal of the housing tax that now allows to submit the towns and have them at his boot.
Too bad not one had the courage to criticize this measure.

In short this said to come back down to earth: we get ...
We get nothing or not much since we will not do the story again
The bonus activity was already acquired so they have almost nothing on it except a change in its timing of application
There is just at the margin the CSG for retirees
And the punctual bonus that some have touched: thank you Yellow Vests

With this and his reelection almost certain we are badly barred by heading straight to an Anglo Saxonization of the country.
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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby sen-no-sen » 09/01/19, 12:25

perplex wrote:
"Nothing justifies violence, whatever the reasons for anger", Valérie Pécresse, they really did not understand anything : roll:
It's no longer violence, it's self-defense !!!


Overflowing violence is a very normal thing considering the current historical period and the socio-economic state (1) of our country.
One can easily predict that depending on such and such manifestations a number of overflows will be expected.
The law enforcement forecasts are based on this type of assessment (via the UCFM, the mobile force coordination unit).
Thus depending on the type of event (festive, ecological, socio-economic or societal) we see agglomerate a certain type of participants whose claims are numerous (calm, demanding, or hateful).
The course followed, the weather are also decisive elements in the course of an event.
Then consider the number of participants (10,100,1000,100 000 etc ...), knowing that the constitution of a group of more than 10 people can lead to phenomenon of depersonalization(2) (depersonalization induced by a collective stress process).

Given the socio-economic character and the tensions accumulated through the decline of the middle classes over the last fifteen years, it is thus perfectly logical to note the violence overflowing among the demonstrators, and it is equally logical to find in reaction some overflowing of violence on the part of the police (action / reaction).

1) We are currently going through a period of stagflation (stagnation / economic inflation), a phase preceding that of the depression, so we will see in the years to come some more violent events in our society,and all that will be perfectly normal. As normal as finding that the water boils at about 100C ° ...

2) It is urgent to popularize this phenomenon! Depersonalization is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when an individual loses is individuality following a form of stigma induced by the emotional strains passing through a group of individuals.
It is for this reason that a number of thugs in yellow vests are people unknown to the police and most often good citizens in everyday life.
And it is for this reason also that most of them can not understand their arrests despite obvious evidence such as video surveillance, it is as if they were in a state "seconds".
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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby Grelinette » 09/01/19, 13:01

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This is a very curious statement that is not really made to calm the anger. To wonder what are the motivations to add oil to the fire and if it is the competition of the one who will make the most provocative statement?

On the contrary, this pot shows the remarkable solidarity of the French people for one of them.

Coming from a politician in place, talk about "the lure of money" and of "disgust"is even more provoking today It is curious that the Secretary of State for Digital does not know that it is enough to type French politico-financial affairs on any search engine to get a concrete and objective idea of ​​what is the true "money attraction" and "disgust" that this may cause.

Perhaps it should be reminded of the number of political figures in recent years involved in "business" whose amounts are otherwise more exorbitant than this pot of support?

Perhaps it is necessary to remind him of the number of political figures of his government, who had been announced to us "irreproachable", and who were already pinned for "business of attraction of the money"? These are pots make much more noise and damage than the anger of Yellow Vests.

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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby Christophe » 09/01/19, 14:05

Yes those who criticize this pot are nazes who have lost all sense of humanity and solidarity and understand nothing of the suffering of yellow vests! This kitty is (was because it is suspended) an example of generosity and citizen solidarity against a government that is less and less citizen!

Let's be honest, the boxer cop, with his helmet, does not have to have that bad : Cheesy:even the boxer had more pain in his hands than him! : Cheesy:

After the orcment among the donors, there are certainly some breakers of cops ... So what?

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Unread Messageby Janic » 09/01/19, 15:14

We must have confidence, our government is fighting violence against women, if ...
already they are not women but GJ! To beat one of the women on the ground is to let off steam, thinking that it is their good wife who is lying. "Hey ... take it in the G ..... e!" Where do we go if they can not let off steam, blacks, Arabs, Jews and good women? : Cry:
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