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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby nico239 » 07/01/19, 19:17

Christophe wrote:
nico239 wrote:It is the absurd style of painting that stupidly stigmatizes big fortunes.


Exactly: what do you think of my different remarks?


It will be difficult to compare in this form employees from different sectors where average wages will be structurally different.

Stigmatizing agriculture because it does not pay an employee at the same level as IT is it wise?

However what I retain of your post is especially the track of WORK.

Namely to promote fiscally (in the broadest sense) all that touches the company but EXCHANGE of strong and CONCRETE counterparts: there the imagination is in power.

And consequently to be much less generous fiscally with all the other incomes: there too the imagination is in power.
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Unread Messageby perplex » 07/01/19, 19:21

Christophe wrote:A "mini" version:



: Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:



From you I will have rather choose a patafrite : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 08/01/19, 09:37

perplex wrote:From you I will have rather choose a patafrite : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:


Uh, I'm not Belgian, huh ... : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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Unread Messageby Christophe » 08/01/19, 09:46



The 2ieme part of the article is interesting:

Manuel Macron, made the decision on his arrival at the Presidency of the French Republic, to cancel the solidarity tax on wealth (ISF). (...)

Transiting to the circular economy, moving away from the linear model

Sustainable development emerged as part of a preparatory report for the second world conference on the environment, the famous Rio conference in 1992. 1987's Brundtland Report supports this universal ideal for the future of national economies and humanity. Word of order: development must be done without compromising the ability of future generations to live, too, by meeting their needs. Needs, future generations, limits of the planet and development of the South, the report seeks to define a desirable global development.

France illustrates how the debates and critiques of the economy of the 1960-70 years, including the Limit to the growth of the Club of Rome, forced a reflection, and transformed the ideal to achieve. The country went from a Ministry of the Environment (1971-2007) to a Ministry of Ecology and Sustainable Development (2007-2017) to a Ministry of Ecological and Solidarity Transition (2017-). The ecological and solidarity transition tries to reconcile economic activities, ecology, social contract. These shifts illustrate the increased promotion of a sobriety in natural resources involving equity. For the moment, the failure is obvious in France, as in many parts of the world.

Industrial ecology and sustainable development give way to the circular economy, which is more inclusive. The circular economy includes diverse and varied approaches such as eco-design, recycling, decay, voluntary simplicity and happy sobriety, the fight against planned obsolescence, collaborative / user consumption or the economy. of functionality. For us the final stage of the circular and definitive economy is a geotherapy based on the intensification of the biosphere, life on planet Earth by the reconstitution of vegetation and animal life.

These evolutions reveal that the project of society solely based on supply and demand, the dominant neo-liberal project aimed at reducing the state, can not continue smoothly. Accompanying the circular economy are concepts such as bio-mimicry and biophilia. A number of conservation strategies are also emerging to avoid the pitfalls of industrialization while offering sustainable development to emerging industrializing countries, such as China and India.

More recently, we are talking about regeneration and restoration, particularly with soil-regenerating agriculture, direct sowing under cover crops including cover crops to feed carbon soils. A biogeochemical analysis of development is needed. But also, in an anthropocene context, a social analysis, for which development and economic activities are no longer synonymous and can even oppose. Economic activities such as automobile mobility, or those required by clean-up, are identified as undesirable, even if they increase GDP.

Procrastination illusory

"The pursuit of profit to the detriment of the community and the environment has no place. The world of tomorrow belongs to companies and organizations that put their creativity at the service of creating collective value. Companies must be profitable, equitable and involved. " These words are not those of a large union or a non-governmental organization. They come from a training financially ... supported by a bank. The Keynesian model, that of the welfare state in which the social and the entrepreneurial freedom found a certain balance, is compromised by neoliberalism. The minimum wage in the US, or SMIC in France, no longer allow to live. Major environmental issues are ignored or overlooked. To the point that the banks are trying to avoid the crash of the system.

Since roundabouts and in the street, the yellow vests have updated all these issues, pell-mell. The supposed apathy of dominated social classes was a temporary illusion. It's a safe bet that these issues will not be solved by small adjustments. In many sectors, the problem is structural. Political procrastination on major issues, including those related to Earth's biogeochemistry, regarding an essential ecological transition, has reached its limits.

The movement of yellow vests is a cocktail of claims, all largely legitimate. Let's bet it will continue, in different forms and actions. In the world of work, the yellow vest aims to protect the worker surrounded by moving vehicles. It could in the future also symbolize an awareness of the requirements, and social conditions, of an ecological transition. An ecological transition bringing down many class barriers (we all suffer from climate change), but also, without national borders. In the form of a kind of democratic jolt, the effects could be surprising, and great initiatives could finally be born.


Flats: it's not Manuel lol ... and if the author considers China as a country in the process of industrialization is that it has 30 years late (at least) ... : Shock:
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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby Christophe » 08/01/19, 09:48

ps: Yellow Jacket sounds better than Yellow Jacket : Cheesy: probably because of Yellow Full Metal Jacket : Mrgreen:
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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby perplex » 08/01/19, 10:20

The government dreams of demonstrations well "plan shot" without breakers, but without the merdias and the breakers, the yellow vests would be invisible ...
Manu & fifi think they found the walk ... : Mrgreen:

"Nothing justifies violence, whatever the reasons for anger", Valérie Pécresse, they really did not understand anything : roll:
It's no longer violence, it's self-defense !!!
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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby Christophe » 08/01/19, 11:26

perplex wrote:"Nothing justifies violence, whatever the reasons for anger", Valérie Pécresse, they really did not understand anything : roll:
It's no longer violence, it's self-defense !!!


Funny that you quote this con ** sse Pecresse because I have in mind an interview with her (Sarkoist era ???) where she had reported a rare psychological violence on a TV set ... For to speak plainly: she was contemptuous, hateful and haughty!

Is not violence verbal abuse?

Most politicians are scared because they know they are responsible, to a greater or lesser extent, for what is happening now ...
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Re: Yellow Vests: Is the November 17 Call Justified? #GiletsJaunes

Unread Messageby Leonel » 08/01/19, 12:25

The price of oil is only the drip of water that has broken the camel's back, the cost of living is rising and wages are stagnating, but the real ecological transition will not be made without a radical change in the top rulers, ultra-liberalism and capitalism in its excesses are anti-ecological, it take the problems as a whole, to have ecology we must change and review all our mode of wealth, which is anti-ecological in its base, the yellow vests are right and it's a global movement of awareness that is needed to abolish this system based on limited resources that have consumed it as if it were eternal ....
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