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by Christophe » 07/01/19, 09:42

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by Grelinette » 07/01/19, 10:01

Christophe wrote:Something intrigues me in this painting is the term "professional" ... : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: which implies that it is the fruit of the "work" of billionaires ... and I'm kidding!

This is false (or at least abusive), I think, in many ways

The subject is so opaque that the data are inevitably subject to discussion, and all the more so for these patrimonies it is difficult to put the limit between the private and professional spheres: there are so many tax tips and administrative set-ups. optimization to confuse private and professional wealth.
Moreover, it is often for this reason of confusion that some big fortunes are pinned by the administration, and it is not Carlos Ghosn who will counter-me!
Moreover, the numbers are so huge that the smallest% error, calculation or interpretation represents exorbitant amounts.

To return to the table, the fortune of Bernard Arnaud is valued at 46,9 Md d '€ in 2017, but the latest official figures found on the net indicate that his fortune would have made a good 60 Md d' € in the year, ie + 71,5%! (source: BFMBsiness)


(High income, nothing makes sense: a few years ago I worked for a large French industrial group and I took care of statistics on developments (wages, staff, absenteeism, etc). Regarding the highest executives, and we are far from the big fortunes we are talking about, and only for the data to which I had access, the results were distorted because many advantages did not appear in the stats: premiums, rent, car, private and professional travel, tv subscription, internet, etc., everything was taken care of by the company).
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by Janic » 07/01/19, 10:13

the GJ women's event was interesting too! the breakers (of the men) can not be introduced among these angry, but peaceful women, and therefore truly representative of this ras the general bowl of which Macron is not directly responsible, but where he strives to want to hug the fire with gasoline.
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by Grelinette » 07/01/19, 10:44

Janic wrote:the GJ women's event was interesting too! the breakers (of the men) can not be introduced among these angry, but peaceful women, and therefore truly representative of this ras the general bowl of which Macron is not directly responsible, but where he strives to want to hug the fire with gasoline.

This initiative of feminine manifestation is interesting to 2 titles:

- on the one hand, it effectively discerns the peaceful GJ protesters from the thugs,

- on the other hand, it also makes it possible to counteract the misinformation of certain media on the exclusively violent character of this popular movement.

This is a very nice trick that the GJ should take back and adopt: How can we force to see the peacefulness of a movement without being caught between crackers on one side and a government that communicates mainly on acts violence of the other?

The GJ could perhaps manifest the hands tied, with a ball to the foot or all hooked to each other!
That way it would be easy for the security forces to discern the isolated breakers!

Other ideas?
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by Christophe » 07/01/19, 10:47

Because you seriously think that CRS does not rape women? There are many videos where some are dragged ... by the hair ...

A practice that dates from Cro-Magnon so ... and again it's humor! : Shock:

Otherwise I had sensed that it was only the truce confectioners ...
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by Christophe » 07/01/19, 10:52

Grelinette wrote:Other ideas?


Yes: better arm the GJ : Mrgreen:

The idea of ​​VS VS flashball evoked above seems interesting ...

Here is a terrible one:



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Well it's not easy to hide in a backpack ... : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 07/01/19, 10:55

And a tutorial:



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by Christophe » 07/01/19, 10:59

A "mini" version:



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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 07/01/19, 18:46

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nico239 wrote:It is the absurd style of painting that stupidly stigmatizes big fortunes.

Hello nico239,
Let's open our eyes and see things as they are: for years, years, not a month, not a month, goes by without the French media denouncing the financial turpitudes of most of these big fortunes, and we are helpless and jaded at these absurd and "inappropriate" greed (to use the euphemism of communication generally used) which disintegrates from year to year the economy and the morals of our country.

To stigmatize them, stupidly or not, and the last thing we can do, even if it does not help much except to evacuate the feeling of injustice that makes us so angry.

While waiting to find an answer and a solution, it is necessary to repeat itself in loop the naïve question of the journalist Denis Robert: "But why does a country as rich as France produce so much poverty?" (and misery).


The GOOD picture, that of the scandal would be in a column the personal income and the other the taxes paid.

That of fortune makes little sense.

A lot of peasants became taxable to the ISF because of the privileged position of their farm over the decades and located on the Côte d'Azur in Brittany or on the Ile de Ré ... etc.

France has mostly produced 10% unemployment in 50 years where other countries of the European community lack manpower and where some companies in the southern US no longer find the Mexican slave labor that they could exploit before ....

However, the problem is old and will not be solved with a magic wand.

But the question to ask oneself (often even always) is: who benefits from the crime?
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 07/01/19, 18:51

perplex wrote:"With 1 million you couldn't have done anything" : Lol:

It's not tax the problem, the main cause is the industrial production and its management, China 1,7 Md of humans, India 1,3Md, Ethiopia 105M, etc ... The distribution of wealth is already at work for a long time. Between 2005 and 2016, the average hourly wage of a Chinese manufacturing worker increased from 1,2 $ to 3,6 $, an increase of 300%.
The Chinese will also end up in the street, eaten by India and the others ... The rebalancing that Trump tries with his taxes, is a lost cause.


You're right it's not the tax the problem is its: PAYMENT and the hunt for fraudsters.
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