Nuclear accident in Japan, a Japanese Chernobyl?

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by Leo Maximus » 12/03/11, 19:53

I wanted to be careful! : Lol: But for me there is no doubt.

Ditto for the Malpasset dam: no geological study, 423 dead, it's the mountain's fault!
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by Christophe » 12/03/11, 19:58

As I said above: do not confuse BR reactor building and reactor. The most important is the reactor and the primary circuit.

In theory, the BR can no longer exist without there being leaks! I say in theory because if it explodes, there is bound to be damage on the circuits it contained!

So there were leaks on the primary before the explosion this morning and maybe it was voluntary? To make a sarcophagus?

We can fear, as you just said, a campaign of intoxication by Aeva et cie.

Lietseu wrote:Good evening, at 18 p.m. on France 00 we announced a risk of 24 out of 4 of nuclear accident ...


And here it is, it starts, it smells of intoxication full nose !!! For me it's 5 or 6: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_n ... helle_INES


Serious accidents - Level 6 of the INES scale [edit]

* Mayak nuclear complex (Kyshtym): Soviet Union, 1957. Level 6 of the INES scale. The accident occurred in the Mayak Nuclear Complex in Kyshtym not far from the city of Chelyabinsk in the USSR, it resulted in very significant radioactive releases outside the site, at least 200 people died, emergency measures included an evacuation about 10 people and a prohibited area of ​​000 km². The accident was kept secret by the Soviet regime, the first information was not revealed until 250 by the Soviet biologist Jaurès Medvedev immigrated to England.


Just like FR2, sorry TF2 who dares to invite 1 guy from Areva ...

Fission nuclear is good when it works well, otherwise in the event of a problem it is absolute shit! Do not admit this is just dishonesty!

Lietseu wrote:Meow and thank you for this subject Christophe!


I'm here for nothing, I got your sms 8) did you talk about it here somewhere?
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by Lietseu » 12/03/11, 19:58

Hmm ...

the central in question, does not have a primary and secondary circuit ...

The explanation has just been given by a Belgian specialist, in the Japanese power station, steam and cooling are provided by the same circuit ... hence the cesium leak!

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by Former Oceano » 12/03/11, 20:17

Where would hydrogen come from?
First case, production if there is a leak of liquid sodium from the primary cooling circuit with contact with water.
Exothermic reaction and explosion. But few or no civil reactors use liquid sodium, we will find this rather in submarine reactors.
Second case, thermolysis of water by heat. For this you need at least 750 ° C temperature and the higher the temperature increases, the more hydrogen production is important and ends up being around 3000 ° C.
So 750 ° C implies that the reactor core is overheated.
This also implies that it would not be a secondary circuit, because in this case at what temperature would the primary circuit be? As nuclear fuel is in the primary circuit ...
In short, one can wonder what happened ... : Evil: : Evil:
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by Lietseu » 12/03/11, 21:07

former oceanic wrote:Where would hydrogen come from?
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Second case, thermolysis of water by heat. For this you need at least 750 ° C temperature and the higher the temperature increases, the more hydrogen production is important and ends up being around 3000 ° C.
So 750 ° C implies that the reactor core is overheated.
This also implies that it would not be a secondary circuit, because in this case at what temperature would the primary circuit be? As nuclear fuel is in the primary circuit ...
In short, one can wonder what happened ... : Evil: : Evil:


Hi ex-océano always a pleasure to read you :P

Since there is no primary circuit, since the cooling and the production of steam come from the same circuit ... according to the atomist scientist, there would be a crack in the reactor core ...

The rest will tell us that the man was right or not, but according to him, it's a question of time ... no days ... :?

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by Leo Maximus » 12/03/11, 21:54

I have an exploded view of the reactor building (General Electric document):

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Link : http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1782558
General Electric BWR reactors link: http://www.nucleartourist.com/type/bwr.htm

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by Christophe » 12/03/11, 22:00

Lietseu wrote:the central in question, does not have a primary and secondary circuit ...

The explanation has just been given by a Belgian specialist, in the Japanese power station, steam and cooling are provided by the same circuit ... hence the cesium leak!


Uh either he expressed himself poorly or you misunderstood or I understand nothing ... otherwise it would mean that the turbines work with the same fluid which passes through the reactor: everything would be radioactive, how to do maintenance for example ? Edit: this is the case, see diagrams below.

I don't see the connection with cesium; if there is radiation, it is necessarily that the reactor / primary is affected.

After that there may be particularities compared to "ours" (the Russians, that of Tcherno for example, are very different).

Anyone know the name of the technology or reactors for this plant that we can verify?

ps: ok for H2 ... which does not bode well for the future ...
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by Leo Maximus » 12/03/11, 22:05

Christophe wrote:.... Someone knows the name of the technology or the reactors of this plant that we can verify ....

See my previous post. The Fukushima No. 1 is the oldest, it diverged into 1970. It's a General Electric BWR of 439 MW.

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by Christophe » 12/03/11, 22:06

Thank you Leo, I asked the question at the same time as you wrote :)

For H2, do you confirm the oceano hypotheses?

ps: we already knew it but Besson is a stupid potential ... according to the live of the world:

18h

Eric Besson: "We have to be very careful, the information is patchy, from the Japanese government and the operator of the Fukushima plant, Tepco. We comment but: it is a serious incident without being a nuclear disaster. It has nothing to do with Chernobyl."
Saturday March 12, 2011 18:02 PM

18h

Eric Besson: "all French power plants have been designed to cope with seismic risks and the risk of flooding."


An exploding BR is an INCIDENT ???
Who can still call this guy a minister?
Immediate resignation yeah !!!


For the floods, we talk about the incident in Blayais in 99?

French power plants are not as well protected against seismic risks as Japanese because the risk is much lower ... improvements have been made in recent years in this regard ...
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by Leo Maximus » 12/03/11, 22:12

Christophe wrote:Thank you Leo, I asked the question at the same time as you wrote :)

For H2, do you confirm the oceano hypotheses?

I do not confirm anything! : Lol: But I think there are competent people at GE in the USA and in Japan to save us from a major disaster.

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