Flytox wrote:bardal wrote:Oh, the measurement is very simple: we analyze the ash (the "flywheels" that go off in the smoke and the ash and clinker remaining in the ashtray) and we make a rule of three to find the annual production. These radioactive products are naturally found in coal (which is one of the minerals richest in radioactive metals) and are found concentrated by a factor of 100 in the ashes (the carbon has burned). The Robin des Bois association had made a detailed report on this question a few years ago, but it seems to have disappeared from the radars… In an ash heap, there is enough to make 5 or 6 atomic bombs… The kids play on it , rabbits and others dig burrows there, rainwater trickles down there ... Life is good.
Interesting, could you put this doc from the Robin Hood association?
Make 5 or 6 atomic bombs ... by treating a few thousand tonnes of waste and
focusing the "interesting" elements.
bardal wrote:The babyline wiggles there as every time it detects radiation; radon is emitted as every time there is uranium, and the groundwater is contaminated as in all radioactive soils (Vichy water is much worse). There is only CRIIRAD to be surprised by the radioactive soils of Limousin (or Brittany, or Corsica ...) and radon emanations from the cellars in Limoges;
Would CRIIRAD only recruit three-week-old rabbits?
It is true that this large independent laboratory, which is our national pride, had well confused a naturally radioactive Camargue beach (and well known as such) with radioactive waste from Marcoule placed there, maliciously, by the nuclear lobby.
Bad taste joke ... games with 2 losers ....
Likewise, confusing mining waste (which is nothing other than natural soil too poor in ore to be exploited) with waste from a nuclear power plant is gross ignorance.
Okay with you.
Waste from a power plant is known, listed, processed, monitored; the 1% actually radiotoxic is subject to a thorough treatment and will be enclosed in a glass matrix, intended to be stored 600 m underground, in a layer of clay (dry, it is a rock); this solution, not ideal since of limited size, has at least the advantage of being reliable and secure.
That is the theory, the practice differs slightly since we can note overshoots of regulatory radioactivity in embankments, public land etc ...
The "reliable and secure" is a profession of faith when we look at the time parameter.
Generation 4 will allow find a more satisfactory solution by incinerating the most radioactive waste, making it disappear finally.
The future, what a providence! We can make him do / say everything ..... without putting a single penny aside today to make it really exist as imagined ...
All this is not "as simple and as cheap as possible" but it has made it possible to know no victims or deaths in 40 years of exploitation ...
You keep repeating the same false conn.rie. (3rd time I take you back on exactly the same words?)
For the nth time, Japan is a member of the OECD and Fukushima has caused deaths from radiation from nuclear energy. Ukraine and Chernobyl are not in the OECD and have also caused deaths due to radiation from nuclear energy. Letting lobbyists spread their misinformation is not a story of Croquemitaine but pollutes the brains ... and forums.
Go step by step:
- I'm going to look for that "Robin Hood" document that made so little noise in anti-nuk circles. It's amazing… Usually, these anti-nuk are moved with much less than that…
- CRIIRAD only recruits "scientists" who want at all costs "to prove" what they believe in ... Even a trained scientist is capable of lying, cheating, being wrong in a particular field or being totally bad. faith. We have lots of examples. The great Newton himself was looking for the Philosopher's Stone and was a firm believer in astrology ...
- alas, the blow of the radioactive beach, it is not a joke, even if the CRIIRAD has done since a spectacular coaster…
- to date, fission waste is not found in embankments and public land (fortunately, moreover); what can be found, mainly in Germany (as explained above), is decommissioning waste from nuclear installations, which has nothing to do with the waste that will be stored in Bure. I thought I explained it a little above, but I have trouble expressing myself. Besides, I didn't say that the Germans were wrong ...
- the incineration of actinides by breeders does not belong to the future; it exists, and existed in France; Of course, we are not investing in it (and this is major bullshit), but others are doing it in various countries of the world, and even in Europe… Bof, we will buy all of this from China when the time comes; we were the world leader 20 years ago, one more effort and that will make an industry more sold out by France ... Bravo, we applaud very much ... Suddenly, we stay with our waste ...
- Japan belongs to the OECD, but the radioactivity in Fukushima is not responsible for any deaths; if you have any other information, post it quickly. On the other hand, the tsunami killed nearly 19000 people (which you hardly seem to care about) and a "precautionary" evacuation, hasty and exaggerated, did some damage to the evacuees. I therefore maintain that in OECD countries, 40 years of nuclear exploitation have resulted in no deaths from radioactivity (even if you repeat 40 times that it is false). The only deaths of this fact are those of Chernobyl, outside the OECD and in a context of catastrophic collapse of a country. That's how it is, nuclear is the least dangerous of the energy industries, by far… Even less than hydroelectricity, PV and wind power…
What pollutes forums, it is especially the reiterated but unsupported assertions of those who believe that their "coalman's faith" is sufficient to make scientific or historical truth.
