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by dedeleco » 09/02/11, 16:22

The real, concrete, macro testimony is overwhelming and shows contempt for real risks, even by washing your hands with petrol as solvent or by breathing petrol while filling your tank!
We should repeat it because many more deaths like this, instead of basking ourselves with terrorists and other madmen who make far fewer deaths than the products and ordinary accidents of everyday life !!!


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by Christophe » 09/02/11, 16:25

dedeleco wrote:The real, concrete testimony of macro is overwhelming


+1 I didn't think that a single exposure could trigger such a thunderous cancer ... but what does POLICE do?

Then you have to see exactly what was behind the accident ...

Did they fall into a tank?
Has there been prolonged inhalation of aerosols? Etc., etc...

Anyway, Macro can you tell us more?
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by elephant » 09/02/11, 17:54

Macro said:

I love the word "Aromatics" in its petroleum co-notation


Yep, what? Ever heard of the good smell of money, contrary to Vespasian's claims?
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by Macro » 10/02/11, 08:35

Christophe wrote:
dedeleco wrote:The real, concrete testimony of macro is overwhelming


+1 I didn't think that a single exposure could trigger such a thunderous cancer ... but what does POLICE do?

Then you have to see exactly what was behind the accident ...

Did they fall into a tank?
Has there been prolonged inhalation of aerosols? Etc., etc...

Anyway, Macro can you tell us more?


Following an error on their part (valve remained closed) on delivery by positive displacement pump with forced bypass closed by the operator. A joint between two abundant shower hose connections (40 m3 / h over 4m²) ruptures for about twenty seconds between the two bonzommes ...

Of course neither of them has changed clothes (it dries quickly) showering the eyes, a coffee a little drop and hop..We are going back ...

One of the two was having a bit of diabetes
(despite his fairly manual and physical activity) the other was a truck driver and daily cyclist and Sunday at the dedelco (with the fluo coats) visibly healthy ....

The diabetic fell quite ill 1 year later, the other was diagnosed with leukemia 2 months before taking his leave ...

Fatal intoxication or simple coincidence ??? no one will ever know ...
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by elephant » 10/02/11, 09:45

As long as drilling so deep, at 30 ° per km, why do we not use geothermal energy?
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by Christophe » 10/02/11, 11:27

A) Well, it is used indirectly to fluidize the crude ...

B) The value of 30 ° C / 1000 m is a rather "high" value, isn't it?

In Soultz which is a favorable place for deep geothermal energy, we have around 40 ° C / 1000 m ...

Geothermal energy of fractured rocks

The Soultz project is a long-term research project that aims to develop a new form of geothermal energy. It is an ambitious project, both scientifically and industrially, as well as in terms of its organization. There is indeed a multiplication of stages and partners that make it a fairly complex program and very spread over time.
The principle EGS (***) also known as HFR (**) aims to extract the heat contained in deep rocks (between 3000 and 6000 m) by a circulation of water through a natural heat exchanger of great capacity. This is created by hydraulic stimulation of the permeability of natural fractures that affect certain regions with sufficiently massive rock mass and hydrothermally active so that the temperature increases there faster than the average depending on the depth. (200 ° C around 5000 m deep at Soultz). In theory, if we linearly cool 20 ° C by circulating water, a volume of rock of the order of 1 km³ corresponds to the extraction of an amount of heat equivalent to the combustion of 1,275 million tonnes of oil (around 15000 GWh) enabling either to supply district heating networks or to produce around 13 MW of electricity for 20 years on the basis of a yield of around 13% for an average temperature of around from 190 ° C.


http://www.soultz.net/fr/projetGeie/histo.php
https://www.econologie.com/forums/geothermie ... t1871.html

C) If it is for the heat, the concern is the transport of this one ... there is generally little housing near the oil wells ...

Edit, about B) a more complete answer from Obamot found here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/isolation- ... 10429.html

Obamot wrote:I am not an electrician, but the amount of energy already naturally present in the basement, represents an almost unused power of 3'000 megawatts (MW) by way of example for Switzerland ...>, the equivalent of the production of all nuclear power plants currently in service for the same territory!

As you suggest, at -20m depth, the soil temperature remains stable! (between 8 ° and 12 ° C, and no longer depends on day, night, or seasons ...) This is a huge benefit for storage! Digging further down, in my corner we gain 1 ° C all 33m. Except to find a hot aquifer, we arrive between 13 ° and 17 ° C at -200m, without having stored anything yet!
The storage obviously makes it possible to be a better alternative than a PAC, in spite of the fact that these still eat ~ 25% to 30% of energy in electrical consumption and require investment and depreciation of the installation ... !

But, with Minergie-P passive houses, geothermal energy already provides 5 kW (without any heat storage => 8 kW maximum for ~ 120m)! That is already half of what this standard imposes! A PAC becomes a luxury, it is no longer even necessary!

The pre-storage of heat in the soil will certainly see the emergence of techniques similar to those used during mining prospecting, in order to detect as precisely as possible what is in the subsoil and at what depth . As with seismic and / or magnetometric readings. They will probably use the laying of small explosive charges to make local three-dimensional maps! Because at the regional level, we already have a good idea of ​​what is in the depths, and for quite some time.

The development of boreholes will have a triple advantage, that of allowing to detect aquifers deposits of shallow depths (~ 200m one can already find circulating fluids reaching temperatures of 15 ° C to 100 ° C!), Also mineral deposits even of phreatic pockets. These sectors will inevitably end up regrouping. Here is a kind of new Eldorado looming ... :D

Obviously the goal is to take advantage of a borehole to supply, not a single home, but a whole subdivision!

www.ader.ch wrote:Classification of geothermal resources

* Very low energy geothermal energy (<30 ° C): shallow aquifers, terrestrial probes, coupling with a heat pump.
* Low energy geothermal energy (30-100 ° C): deep aquifers or zones of thermal anomaly.
* Medium-energy geothermal energy (100-150 ° C): very deep aquifers or areas of shallow thermal anomaly, Hot Dry Rock technology (induced loop circulation in naturally low permeability rocks).
* High energy geothermal energy (150-350 ° C): deep aquifers in shallow thermal anomaly zones, Hot Dry Rock technology.


The advantage of storing heat in the ground is that we do not really care if we are actually going to find thermal energy already in latent state or not! Obviously if we find it, it's the jackpot!

And when we see this:

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http://www.ader.ch/energieaufutur/energ ... index2.php

... one wonders what is the use of drilling oil for heating homes, while we can find free energy directly with these holes? Ah, if to fill the pockets of tankers and stock speculators ...
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by Christophe » 10/02/11, 11:30

Macro wrote:Fatal intoxication or simple coincidence ??? no one will ever know ...


Uh ... do you believe it yourself at coincidence? Do you know how the deaths were classified? Professional illness or not?

Indeed 40m3 / h in 4m² ca a sacred shower at the karcher!
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by dedeleco » 10/02/11, 15:13

Of course neither of them has changed clothes (it dries quickly) showering the eyes, a coffee a little drop and hop..We return there ...

So 200l in 20s (40m3: h about 11l / s) on them and kept non-volatile products (naphthalenes and heavy aromatics) on their clothes for days ???
There is no coincidence for two people, there is scientific certainty and gross negligence of their employer not to have taught them, provided suitable protection (waterproof) against such an accident, not to have changed their clothes immediately and stripped naked in the shower !!! instead of leaving them to marinate in petroleum for weeks if they have kept their clothes difficult to wash.
A trial is still possible !!

Even on sleeves, do not keep and wash until all odor has disappeared.

They must not be the only dead in silence !!
How many deaths ??
Which we never talk about, while we are harping on terrorists !!
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by Christophe » 10/02/11, 15:20

dedeleco wrote:They must not be the only dead in silence !!
How many deaths ??
Which we never talk about, while we are harping on terrorists !!


And again that's almost "nothing", let's wait and see the deaths of asbestos:

https://www.econologie.com/forums/infrarouge ... t9213.html
https://www.econologie.com/l-amiante-le- ... -4226.html

For terrorists, we live in societies based and maintained in fear (not only with regard to terrorism ...), fear created to stupefy and make "better" CONSUMERS ... It's very schematic, but roughly speaking that's the idea ...

The internet is currently the only way to find out otherwise (with Arte)
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by Macro » 10/02/11, 16:04

Christophe wrote:
Uh ... do you believe it yourself at coincidence? Do you know how the deaths were classified? Professional illness or not?

Indeed 40m3 / h in 4m² ca a sacred shower at the karcher!


No occupational disease at the time with our old collective agreement ... (oil and coal trade)

In addition, clothing was the responsibility of the employee (except safety shoes) and it was in the last century ...

Other leukemias yes there has been (not specially sprinkled) But the employees being in bodies of trades of different corporations (metalwork, Transport, ironwork, maintenance, industrial cleaning ....) the dilution of the dead is like asbestos such that reconciliations are almost impossible ...

The worst of all are the quality additives that some dump in their fuels ... Even with full combinations for chemical risks ... You can smell the product on your skin then ... You remember the little white mouse running through an engine ... It might be white ..... But I was saying that she was dead : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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