Thorium: the future of nuclear power?

[Janic]

Mobilize your intelligence on bullshit ... not mobilize your ignorance for bullshit ...

and you know something about these sides there!

This is probably why the French kWh is the cheapest in Europe ...

currently only, as long as the plants are not to be dismantled! But there: Oh la la la la ...!
How many plants have been dismantled totally to date and at what cost? and what happened to the irradiated materials?

[GuyGadebois]

Oh la la la la...

What an incredible mic-mac of counter rumors ...
This is probably why the French kWh is the cheapest in Europe ...

Mobilize your intelligence on bullshit ... not mobilize your ignorance for bullshit ...

Which ones, please?
Do you think that the price of Kw / h on your invoices is the real price? What will it cost taking into account the entire life cycle of a plant? What would it cost if we took into account the ruined billions for Superphenix, for EPRs that do not work, for the empty uranium mines bought by Ms. Lauvergeon? For CEA, for ITER? For the costs of a major accident?
Do you also believe that this model of power plant was decided by civil engineering?
No rumors in there, just logic, almost obvious.

[thibr]

what does this have to do with thorium?

[GuyGadebois]

what does this have to do with thorium?

The report is the atom and that we could have chosen a much more secure technology but that because of the military we chose instability and danger with the disastrous consequences that we know. I would have loved that in Chernobyl the salt cap melted and the power plant stopped ... For Fukushima, the situation is different.

[Remundo]

Oh la la la la...

What an incredible mic-mac of counter rumors ...
This is probably why the French kWh is the cheapest in Europe ...

Mobilize your intelligence on bullshit ... not mobilize your ignorance for bullshit ...

the condescension which suits you so well ...

[Bardal]

Oh la la la la...

What an incredible mic-mac of counter rumors ...
This is probably why the French kWh is the cheapest in Europe ...

Mobilize your intelligence on bullshit ... not mobilize your ignorance for bullshit ...

Which ones, please?
Do you think that the price of Kw / h on your invoices is the real price? What will it cost taking into account the entire life cycle of a plant? What would it cost if we took into account the ruined billions for Superphenix, for EPRs that do not work, for the empty uranium mines bought by Ms. Lauvergeon? For CEA, for ITER? For the costs of a major accident?
Do you also believe that this model of power plant was decided by civil engineering?
No rumors in there, just logic, almost obvious.

Perhaps it would be good to put things right, which will bring down all the usual legends and fake-news:

- EDF is a private sector company; as such it has an obligation to publish its accounts and its results, without being able to conceal anything. Not only are its results balanced each year, but the company pays a dividend of € 1 billion each year to its shareholder, the State. It receives a subsidy of 500 million euros, compensated for the euro loan by a special tax of 500 million. Nuclear subsidies are a legend.

- On the other hand EDF undergoes at all times the decisions of the State (unlike its competitors), taken without much consideration of the interests of the company or its customers. Let us quote, among the most expensive, the unjustified judgment of Superphénix (charge of more than 15 Billion), of Fessenheim (2 or 3 Billion) both decided for reasons of electoral agreements, the obligation to buy back ENR under conditions special (several billion for a few years), obligation to sell at a price lower than that of the nuclear electricity market to its competitors, forced sale at ridiculous prices of its Rhône hydroelectric plants, refusal to increase the sale prices of electricity, obligation to come to the rescue of AREVA bankrupt against a background of political tampering ... All of this constitutes a cumulative liability of several tens of billions of euros ... Not only does the State not help EDF, but it imposes colossal undue charges on it ...

- In addition, EDF provisions each year the future cost of dismantling (at prices comparable to those recorded by dismantling of power plants in the USA) and is the main financier of ANDRA (which builds Bure and manages nuclear waste), with a supplement paid by other Andra customers (mainly the medical sector). The current kWh price therefore includes future dismantling and the cost of waste; your statement is therefore a pure fake-new ... You will find all information in the reports of the Court of Auditors (it is a bit long and does not constitute Luronne literature ...).

- Your story of the military having imposed the current sector to produce plutonium is a pure fantasy, perhaps dating from the 50s: the plutonium from EPR is not of military quality, and would probably be the most expensive solution; nobody thinks about it, the soldiers having their specific sector for more than 40 years ... Novel, novel, novel ...

- Finally, the only valid question, there is no disaster insurance; yes, but this is the case for all the energy industries, which do not pay for their externalities: coal is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Europe, oil and gas slightly less, but they are dangerous energies, hydroelectricity is about 10 times more deadly than nuclear; even photovoltaics have a higher number of victims than nuclear. That these risks are included in insurance form at the price of kWh, I have nothing against, for all the energy industries, but we will have some surprises in the end ... Recall that the OECD has known no victim due to civilian nuclear radiation in 40 years ...

This is essentially. Leaving ITER aside, it has little to do with electricity; it is a basic research instrument which, even if the results were beyond expectations, will never provide a single kWh electric ...

Please try to educate yourself a bit before relaying rumors from the counter. We will then see where logic leads you ...

[GuyGadebois]

Oh la la la la...

What an incredible mic-mac of counter rumors ...
This is probably why the French kWh is the cheapest in Europe ...

Mobilize your intelligence on bullshit ... not mobilize your ignorance for bullshit ...

Which ones, please?
Do you think that the price of Kw / h on your invoices is the real price? What will it cost taking into account the entire life cycle of a plant? What would it cost if we took into account the ruined billions for Superphenix, for EPRs that do not work, for the empty uranium mines bought by Ms. Lauvergeon? For CEA, for ITER? For the costs of a major accident?
Do you also believe that this model of power plant was decided by civil engineering?
No rumors in there, just logic, almost obvious.

Perhaps it would be good to put things right, which will bring down all the usual legends and fake-news:

- EDF is a private sector company; as such it has an obligation to publish its accounts and its results, without being able to conceal anything. Not only are its results balanced each year, but the company pays a dividend of € 1 billion each year to its shareholder, the State. It receives a subsidy of 500 million euros, compensated for the euro loan by a special tax of 500 million. Nuclear subsidies are a legend.

- On the other hand EDF undergoes at all times the decisions of the State (unlike its competitors), taken without much consideration of the interests of the company or its customers. Let us quote, among the most expensive, the unjustified judgment of Superphénix (charge of more than 15 Billion), of Fessenheim (2 or 3 Billion) both decided for reasons of electoral agreements, the obligation to buy back ENR under conditions special (several billion for a few years), obligation to sell at a price lower than that of the nuclear electricity market to its competitors, forced sale at ridiculous prices of its Rhône hydroelectric plants, refusal to increase the sale prices of electricity, obligation to come to the rescue of AREVA bankrupt against a background of political tampering ... All of this constitutes a cumulative liability of several tens of billions of euros ... Not only does the State not help EDF, but it imposes colossal undue charges on it ...

- In addition, EDF provisions each year the future cost of dismantling (at prices comparable to those recorded by dismantling of power plants in the USA) and is the main financier of ANDRA (which builds Bure and manages nuclear waste), with a supplement paid by other Andra customers (mainly the medical sector). The current kWh price therefore includes future dismantling and the cost of waste; your statement is therefore a pure fake-new ... You will find all information in the reports of the Court of Auditors (it is a bit long and does not constitute Luronne literature ...).

- Your story of the military having imposed the current sector to produce plutonium is a pure fantasy, perhaps dating from the 50s: the plutonium from EPR is not of military quality, and would probably be the most expensive solution; nobody thinks about it, the soldiers having their specific sector for more than 40 years ... Novel, novel, novel ...

- Finally, the only valid question, there is no disaster insurance; yes, but this is the case for all the energy industries, which do not pay for their externalities: coal is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Europe, oil and gas slightly less, but they are dangerous energies, hydroelectricity is about 10 times more deadly than nuclear; even photovoltaics have a higher number of victims than nuclear. That these risks are included in insurance form at the price of kWh, I have nothing against, for all the energy industries, but we will have some surprises in the end ... Recall that the OECD has known no victim due to civilian nuclear radiation in 40 years ...

This is essentially. Leaving ITER aside, it has little to do with electricity; it is a basic research instrument which, even if the results were beyond expectations, will never provide a single kWh electric ...

Please try to educate yourself a bit before relaying rumors from the counter. We will then see where logic leads you ...

EDF has been public for decades, the military choice of this type of power plant that was then imposed on civilians is A FACT, not a fiction. EPR (MDR) does not work really and we don't care about having more plutonium than we already have, seeing that just with our fleet of bombs we can blow up the planet several times. As for your comparisons, you are the only one to make them, I only talked about the real cost of the nuclear KW which is already more expensive than wind and which will become pharaonic.
Ps: In terms of informing me, I've been doing it for 40 years.

[sicetaitsimple]

At bardal,

you are wrong, because a report, a video of Arte or in less intellectual of Cash investigation, it is the true truth, which allows some to have the truth, since they are sourced there.

[GuyGadebois]

At bardal,

you are wrong, because a report, a video of Arte or in less intellectual of Cash investigation, it is the true truth, which allows some to have the truth, since they are sourced there.

You're delaying, my Good ... My positions date back to the 70s when "The Savage" and "The Open Mouth" already predicted the present disaster. Keep your easy irony and your ignorance for your uneducated friends with whom you can drink heavy water (not Lourdes water, eh ...).

[sicetaitsimple]

At bardal,

you are wrong, because a report, a video of Arte or in less intellectual of Cash investigation, it is the true truth, which allows some to have the truth, since they are sourced there.

You're delaying, my Good ... My positions date back to the 70s when "The Savage" and "The Open Mouth" already predicted the present disaster. Keep your easy irony and your ignorance for your uneducated friends with whom you can drink heavy water (not Lourdes water, eh ...).

Yes they delay, indeed!