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Re: The race for nuclear fusion




by Janic » 28/05/17, 19:41

The difference with a philosopher?

Only this: "doctrine", and in doctrine only this: the formulation of rules of thought and conduct.

• DOCTRINE, noun. fem.
• DOCTRINER, trans verb.
A.− Set of principles, of statements, erected or not in system, translating a certain conception of the universe, of human existence, of society, etc., and willingly accompanying, for the field envisaged, the formulation of models of thought, rules of conduct.

But also:
Ad hoc, clearly and publicly defined position of a school of thought or an individual on a special problem, generally delicate and subject to controversy; strong opinion on a specific point, interpretation, thesis.

This is what universities do after high schools and colleges, these schools of official indoctrination.
Indeed rules of thought (the object of philosophy) without leading to a mode of conduct it is useless.
Gandhi, quoted, enacted the doctrine of nonviolence by asking to put it into practice and this avoided rivers of blood in retaliation.
Pasteur, also quoted, dogmatized on vaccination hoping that it would avoid epidemics or certain dreadful deaths such as rabies. The intention was commendable, the result not up to its doctrine.
The system is not open, the system is not dynamic. The system is supervised by its high priest the ideologue and the henchmen of his chapel, there is no escape. Whoever challenges the slightest idea of ​​the doctrine is in the best case that he has understood nothing, in the intermediate case that he will be delivered to public vindictiveness so that he becomes aware of his abnormality, or in the worst case he ends up at the gulag where he will be "explained" to him what he has to understand.
This is the great difference between a philosopher or an intellectual, and an ideologist.

It's funny this constancy to see only the negative side of things. You idealize "science" through a few scientists who dogmatize at all costs, but there you don't mind that everything is relative.
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Re: The race for nuclear fusion




by Exnihiloest » 28/05/17, 21:35

Janic wrote:...
It's funny this constancy to see only the negative side of things. You idealize "science" through a few scientists who dogmatize at all costs, but there you don't mind that everything is relative.

You are in full projection. I'm not the one who complains the most about air pollution, nuclear power or modern medicine.
I idealize science much less than you do alternative medicine. Science does not make you happier than anything, it is not made for that, it is knowledge. Knowledge makes it possible to solve practical problems, contrary to utopian ideologies and to religious obscurantisms or not, which solve absolutely nothing.
But unfortunately science is still unable to deal with the psychological problems of people who are bad about themselves, unable to cope with their times and wrongly convinced that what is wrong is more in the outside world than in themselves.
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Re: The race for nuclear fusion




by Ahmed » 28/05/17, 23:09

Ideologists are the plague of humanity, they are the Hitlers, the Stalins, the Mao and other Pol Pot. Can you tell me what's left of them? Nothing apart from the graves.
A Gütemberg, a Galileo, a Ford, a Gregory Pincus, an Einstein ... are at the origin of far more transformations in the world than all the ideologists put together.

I find this opposition inadequate because, to take the example ofHitler, if it is true that he is no longer seriously claimed (and so much the better!), some of his ideas have unfortunately survived him. Indeed, if he ultimately failed during his lifetime, it is undoubtedly because he wanted to impose his vision prematurely of a world entirely given over to mechanical power, a power which he therefore had, in a second time, unleashed against him and who floored him; but this power, once liberated then spread over the world, ensuring it a posthumous triumph as discreet as tangible. : roll:
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Re: The race for nuclear fusion




by izentrop » 29/05/17, 08:47

We are all more or less ideologists, but it can be cured by knowledge, but also by tolerance. Listening to others is already fighting against your own preconceived ideas.

Hitler did not have the prerogative of mechanical power, it was a frenzied forward race of all "developed" countries. He tried to overtake everyone on this ground to impose his suppression. The ideology was to divide and rule better. He used ignorance, blind beliefs and human greed to establish his dominance.

The revival of populism today is also a withdrawal. The individual need to maintain comfort and skills is not compatible with decreasing. We prefer to accuse than to take on ourselves. I digress... :o : Wink:
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by Ahmed » 29/05/17, 10:17

When you write:
He tried to speed everyone on this ground to impose his supremacy.

you express exactly what I meant.
On the question of Nazi ideology, it is not sure that it represented only a strategy, it seems thatHitler was convinced by his sinister rantings ... To what extent, I could not say ... : roll:
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Re: The race for nuclear fusion




by Janic » 29/05/17, 10:20

Janic wrote: ...
It's funny this constancy to see only the negative side of things. You idealize "science" through a few scientists who dogmatize at all costs, but there you don't mind that everything is relative.

You are in full projection. I'm not the one who complains the most about air pollution, nuclear power or modern medicine.

More than complaining, I see, quite simply. Before atmospheric pollution of human origin, there was no shortage of natural pollution, if only from volcanoes. But it is city dwellers who complain the most about the human pollution they have caused themselves.
The same goes for nuclear power, lots of people have lived in regions with a subsoil rich in radioactive isotopes, but not concentrated to the level that we have managed to achieve and therefore at increased risk of lethal diffusion.
As for not modern medicine but western, it is to be compared with other medicines whose dangers and risks are minimal compared to the dangers of chemistry.
It is therefore by comparison, after having left ample time to show its advantages and disadvantages that the choice can be made ... in conscience. And as we are supposed to be in a democracy, it is the people who choose (when the choice is left to them by lobbies and politicians) what pleases them, or not, in the doctrines which are proposed to them.
I idealize science much less than you do alternative medicine.

You are all wrong because you have read what I write poorly.
There is a graduation in medicine as for all things. No need to detonate an atomic bomber to make a hole in the bottom of your garden, a simple shovel or even a backhoe is enough. Many health concerns can be solved with simple and effective means without resorting to the sacrosanct chemistry of laboratories which are only trying to imitate nature ... but worse.
Science does not make you happier than anything, it is not made for that, it is knowledge. Knowledge makes it possible to solve practical problems, contrary to utopian ideologies and to religious obscurantisms or not, which solve absolutely nothing.

Basic and obscurantist anti religious!
I am not a fan of the religions which I dispute abundantly for some of their theological interpretations, but the atheist obscurantism is not much better, whereas very often it does nothing but imitate what it criticizes and takes over the the same totalitarian thought: the plague or cholera!
But unfortunately science is still unable to deal with the psychological problems of people who are bad about themselves, unable to cope with their times and wrongly convinced that what is wrong is more in the outside world than in themselves.

For this time, you are largely right! The malaise of our western societies comes in large part from the psychological dissatisfaction of this world which believed, and still believes, in the promise of an immediate better world rather than in a hypothetical future beyond death. Hence this race for material goods, always lagging behind the good to come, generating each time even more dissatisfaction but also dependence. Degrowth represents only a kind of therapy to free oneself from a slavery linked to all this materialism (sad compensation for a spiritualism stifled by atheistic rationalism). So it is true that people are bad for themselves because having it cannot compensate for the lack of being.
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by moinsdewatt » 29/05/17, 13:52

Ahmed wrote:
Ideologists are the plague of humanity, they are the Hitlers, the Stalins, the Mao and other Pol Pot. Can you tell me what's left of them? Nothing apart from the graves.
A Gütemberg, a Galileo, a Ford, a Gregory Pincus, an Einstein ... are at the origin of far more transformations in the world than all the ideologists put together.

I find this opposition inadequate because, to take the example ofHitler, if it is true that he is no longer seriously claimed (and so much the better!), some of his ideas have unfortunately survived him. Indeed, if he ultimately failed during his lifetime, it is undoubtedly because he wanted to impose his vision prematurely of a world entirely given over to mechanical power, a power which he therefore had, in a second time, unleashed against him and who floored him; but this power, once liberated then spread over the world, ensuring it a posthumous triumph as discreet as tangible. : roll:


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by Exnihiloest » 29/05/17, 18:49

Ahmed wrote:...
I find this opposition inadequate because, to take the example ofHitler, if it is true that he is no longer seriously claimed (and so much the better!), some of his ideas have unfortunately survived him. Indeed, if he ultimately failed during his lifetime, it is undoubtedly because he wanted to impose his vision prematurely of a world entirely given over to mechanical power, a power which he therefore had, in a second time, unleashed against him and who floored him; but this power, once liberated then spread over the world, ensuring it a posthumous triumph as discreet as tangible. : roll:

"a world entirely given over to mechanical power": it was not his vision, it was his mode of action.
His vision is a world of nice Aryans in good health, knowing how to appreciate German folk music and to practice sport, in nature if possible (he was a lover of these magnificent landscapes of Bavaria) without all these degenerates that 'were for him the Jews, the gypsies, the handicapped and other homosexuals ...
His vision is not new, it is the idea that those who are different are to be eliminated and that a society will only be pleasant with people who closely resemble you. The idea existed before him, and as he is the one who carried it to the highest by making its sad reputation (to understand at the lowest for us who do not share it), it is now taken as a model by those whose state of mind is already predisposed.
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Re: The race for nuclear fusion




by sen-no-sen » 01/06/17, 22:00

Exnihiloest wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:...
Unlike animals that adapt to their environment, we adapt the environment to ourselves, and the system loops because the adaptation that we make of our environment also transforms us.

It is a humanist and anthropocentric vision ...

I claim it, and I, without hypocrisy: any idea of ​​the evolution of the world so that man lives better than today, is ipso facto a humanist and anthropocentric vision. Environmentalism is no exception.


At this position humanist and anthropocentrist I would oppose analysis naturalist.
As I have already mentioned, there is objectively no "progress" (ie improvement of living conditions on earth).

The improvements to which you refer are only valid for a certain number of human and non-human observers (mainly cockroaches and rats as well as pets) in a limited historical period (so-called modern / contemporary periods).
Factually the living conditions for the flora and fauna are particularly worrying, and it will not take long for this situation to impact hard and long the populations who enjoy the "progress" to which you refer, and more generally all the observers who live on earth.

The current period in no way constitutes the culmination of human success, it is in reality a convergence of effects which temporarily attributes to a species (homo sapiens) selective advantages via culture.
Culture is in fact a gigantic assembly of information structures (the Memes) which colonize our brains via a Darwinian type process.
The Memes which confer the most selective advantages are to copy then dissipate according to the environmental evolution.
The Memes brooded in the cognitive systems of our hominid ancestors for a long time before developing along an exponential development curve leading to a third replicators (see the works of S.Blackmore)the techno-memes ou tems.
Given the immense capacities conferred on the bearers of its tems(the nation societies which "welcome" the most in their brains are the dominant nations ...), we have therefore logically observed a huge boom in transformations on this planet.
However, it would be perfectly naive to believe that his "improvements" are objectively positive, since the tems favor the emergence of new forms of evolution (hence GMOs and the craze for transhumanism).
In the long term we should therefore disappear (in the short term!) Or readjust (in any case disappear ...) to the conditions imposed by its transformations, which is nothing very humanist!
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Re: The race for nuclear fusion




by sen-no-sen » 21/07/17, 18:24

The British have just taken an important step towards controlled nuclear fusion. The private company Tokamak Energy started up its ST40 experimental thermonuclear reactor at the end of April and managed to produce its first plasma.


Tokamak Energy promises that by 2018, its tokamak (the experimental reactor where thermonuclear fusion occurs) will be able to heat the plasma to 100 million degrees Celsius, seven times hotter than at the heart of the Sun.

With its ST40 prototype, Tokamak Energy joins other startups and large public institutes: in October, the MIT (Massachussets Institute of Technology) broke the plasma pressure record. In December, South Korean researchers managed to reach 70 million degrees Celsius for 70 seconds. Record beaten in January by the CEA at Cadarache, with the West reactor, future centerpiece of the ITER reactor whose commissioning is scheduled between 2025 and 2035.


http://www.clubic.com/technologies-d-avenir/actualite-829756-fusion-nucleaire-britanniques-produisent-premier-plasma.html


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