The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault

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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by sicetaitsimple » 23/02/20, 17:24

Janic wrote:
Can we treat CO2 waste so that it does not harm? No !
Yes, it is just a question of policy and resources available financially and in good will, for what we are currently issuing.


Bah of course! Besides, Janic's carbon footprint must already be neutral (or even negative?) And it is applicable without any problem to everyone!
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by GuyGadebois » 23/02/20, 17:27

realistic ecology wrote:Is radioactive waste dangerous? Yes.
Do we know how to treat and store them in such a way that they do not present any risks? Yes. <<< No.
Is CO2 waste dangerous? Yes.
Do we know how to treat CO2 waste so that it does not harm? No ! <<< Yes. https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/changer ... atmosphere
http://isias.lautre.net/IMG/pdf/une_bac ... ene_o2.pdf
https://www.batiactu.com/edito/transfor ... -49997.php
What nuisances due to nuclear waste do we suffer?
Any. <<< Source? Talk to Algerians and Polynesians ...
What nuisances due to CO2 waste do we suffer?
Global warming and its procession of hurricanes, droughts, floods .... <<< No. These are just meteorological phenomena ... : roll:

► The worst waste, public enemy N ° 1, is CO2 waste. <<< No. The worst enemy of the future of mankind is people like you.


Poor humanity .... :(
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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by Exnihiloest » 23/02/20, 17:38

realistic ecology wrote:... Nobody knows how to control it, it slips through your fingers, elusive, and pours into the CO2 sewer that is our atmosphere. We leave this sewer to future generations ...

They will thank us.

It is only in the fable of anthropogenic warming and its ridiculous apocalyptic forecasts that CO2 would be a pollutant.
But it is not. All the vegetation depends on it, and so do we. Its increase even contributes to the greening of the planet faster than deforestation.
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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by GuyGadebois » 23/02/20, 17:51

Exnihiloest wrote:Its increase even contributes to the greening of the planet faster than deforestation.

Once again you bias the real information to make an opportunistic generalization in the service of your lies ...

On this subject, the researchers write: "Although efforts to plant trees, with the initiative of China of a great green wall, improve the capacity of our planet to absorb atmospheric carbon, the greening obtained thanks to intensive farming does not have the same effect, according to Victor Brovkin of the Max Planck meteorological institute, co-author of our paper. Instead, the carbon absorbed by the crops is quickly released into the atmosphere. ”

"This overall growth [in tree cover] results from a net loss between the tropics, which is more than offset by a net gain outside the tropics," write the researchers. Who estimate that these evolutions are 60% linked to human activities (deforestation, intensification of agriculture, reforestation etc.) and for the rest to indirect factors, "like climate change".

Scientists note an increase in tree cover in temperate climates, but also in boreal regions or in the mountains, a consequence of global warming: "Warming facilitates the growth of wooded vegetation in northeast Siberia, in western Alaska and northern Quebec, ”they note, for example.

46% fewer trees since the beginnings of humanity

It is therefore probable, in the light of the studies cited, that there are indeed more trees on earth than there were twenty years ago (including due to global warming). Looking over a longer time, the result is reversed. In 2015, an article - also published in Nature - mentioned a 46% decrease in the number of trees since the beginning of human civilization.
https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/201 ... ns_1732974

Massive use of irrigation, fertilizers and mechanization

However, this type of culture is much less favorable for the environment. "If reforestation like that observed on the Great Green Wall or in Eastern European countries increases CO2 storage, it is not the same for cultivated fields, including the CO2 they absorb is released quickly into the atmosphere, "says Victor Brovkin, of the Max-Planck Institute for Meteorology and co-author of the study. On the other hand, this intensive agriculture has largely developed at the cost of increased crop rotation, untimely pumping of groundwater and the massive use of fertilizers and pesticides. The two countries are thus at the top of the first fertilizer consumers in the world, and Brazil follows exactly the same trend (the latter also encroaches on its primary forests to extend its crops). If more greenery leads to a depletion of water supplies, a depletion of soil and pollution of rivers, there is nothing to be happy about.

A previous study based on satellite observations had hypothesized that the increase in plant cover was mainly due to the increase in the level of atmospheric CO2, favorable to plant growth. "We show here that the role of Man is much more important than what we thought," attests Ranga Myneni. And he doesn't always make the right choices. Another study published in 2018 in Nature thus showed the perverse effects of massive conifer plantations in Europe.
https://www.futura-sciences.com/planete ... lle-75039/
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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by Ahmed » 23/02/20, 18:02

The concept of "regreening" should be handled with care because this phenomenal appreciation says nothing about its content. The growth of plants is multi-factorial and the improvement of a theoretical factor in no way implies a real benefit.
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by Janic » 23/02/20, 18:14

The concept of "regreening" should be handled with care because this phenomenal appreciation says nothing about its content. The growth of plants is multi-factorial and the improvement of a theoretical factor in no way implies a real benefit.
all the more so since you have to see what types of trees are replanted, often in anticipation of future felling to provide wood. Like the Landes or the Morvan. : Cry:
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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by Ahmed » 23/02/20, 18:17

Here we are talking about "re-greening" and therefore not necessarily forests, it can be very modest plant formations: it is "what appears green" ...
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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by realistic ecology » 23/02/20, 18:49

GuyGadebois wrote:...

"What nuisances due to CO2 waste do we suffer?"
Global warming and its procession of hurricanes, droughts, floods .... <<< No. These are just meteorological phenomena ... : roll:

Well, a climate skeptic of the second type ... I thought the species was on the verge of extinction.
(The second type is the climate-skeptics of the first type (a very rare species), who, no longer able to deny that there is global warming, fall back on the "idea" that human activities do not have no responsibility.) ...
That is to say, consume, burn fossil, it has no effect on global warming.
If there are still some of these people there, we are in trouble.

"What harm from nuclear waste do we suffer?"
Any. <<< Source? Talk to Algerians and Polynesians ...

Again, it becomes your trademark, you put forward special cases, each painful, but by putting under the carpet the general case, even more painful.
The aim here is to compare the nuisance of waste fossil fuels - CO2, fine particles and others - with the nuisance of nuclear waste. Courage, lift the carpet and tell us about the atmospheric pollution of CO2 waste, the damage of coal and lignite in Germany for example, and make a quantified comparison with the nuisances due to nuclear waste.
By east wind we are also exposed to German pollution.
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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by GuyGadebois » 23/02/20, 19:02

realistic ecology wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:...

"What nuisances due to CO2 waste do we suffer?"
Global warming and its procession of hurricanes, droughts, floods .... <<< No. These are just meteorological phenomena ... : roll:

Well, a climate skeptic of the second type ... I thought the species was on the verge of extinction. <<< Irony and you that makes two. Still in the first degree as far as I can see ...


"What harm from nuclear waste do we suffer?"
Any. <<< Source? Talk to Algerians and Polynesians ...

Again, it becomes your trademark, you put forward special cases, each painful, but by putting under the carpet the general case, even more painful. <<< To call dramatic school cases "special cases" is once again dishonest. We are used to reading your prose.

I could have added "Chernobyl", "Fukushima", "the Nevada desert", "Mayak", "Kakadu", etc, etc ...
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Re: The closure of Fessenheim, an ecological fault




by Ahmed » 23/02/20, 19:07

Ecology realistic (sic), you seem more focused on the oxymoron (involuntary?) than on the second degree ...
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