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Re: Increase in gasoline and diesel fuel prices VS DGCCRF




by phil59 » 17/06/22, 22:55

E85, 15% "gasoline" so almost 7 less than gasoline.

but 30% less energy, so about 5 times less thingWatt, so it remains roughly in the same range.

I should take the calculator, but I don't have the courage...
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by Remundo » 17/06/22, 23:40

Additional data...
PCI gasoline: 9,85 kWh/L
ethanol PCI: 6,10 kWh/L

E85 approx. 6,66 kWh/L
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by Macro » 18/06/22, 07:27

Obamot wrote:And to think that herbivores do it for free... without even knowing what "being smicards" means... :)

My neighbor has his plot grazed by a herd several times a year, so he can more easily access his shed and park his agricultural machinery and everyone is happy.

But I admit that we don't always have a herd available....


If in my town we have a herd of stupid herbivores to eat straw... I will propose to them next year : Cheesy:
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by Obamot » 18/06/22, 07:32

Looks like foodies : Mrgreen:
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by Remundo » 18/06/22, 12:40

Macro wrote:If in my town we have a herd of stupid herbivores to eat straw... I will propose to them next year : Cheesy:

in the same genre, you have the vegans : Arrow: : Mrgreen:
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by sicetaitsimple » 18/06/22, 18:42

Remundo wrote:energy tax guide 2021.pdf

Go to page 23 to see the specific taxation of E85 in TICPE.

I don't know if pure ethanol is totally tax free, I would rather say no.

It is used in a 15% gasoline mixture.

€18/MWh for E85
77 € / MWh for gasoline


Thanks for the tax guide.
What I do not understand given this very big difference is that a priori no "flex fuel" vehicle (except at Ford it seems) seems to be marketed in France.
It is necessary to go through a conversion kit installed later, which is perfectly legal, the kits are also approved..
Does anyone have an explanation to this?
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by Remundo » 18/06/22, 19:28

yes the kits are legal and installable a posteriori.

but most of the E85 is consumed by unmodified or reprogrammed cars.
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by sicetaitsimple » 18/06/22, 19:38

Remundo wrote:but most of the E85 is consumed by unmodified or reprogrammed cars.


Maybe, I don't know, but that doesn't explain why manufacturers don't offer basic flex fuel models in their range?
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by Remundo » 18/06/22, 20:17

it is a tax pact with the State. Developing too much E85 means preventing more than one euro of tax per liter from being scraped off.

A corrupt affair if you will. We even have to look wider.

The oil-builder-State triptych has been making fun of the world for a long time.

In France, the E85 emerged under the impetus of Alain PROST and a certain agricultural lobby and my faith so much the better. But it was never really exciting either for the tankers or for Bercy.
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by sicetaitsimple » 18/06/22, 20:27

Yeah, blah, not convinced .... Taxation can be rebalanced more or less gradually. As for manufacturers, it seems to me that their main concern is to sell cars. In short, I don't really believe in a "secret" pact as you mention it.
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