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by lipaonline » 24/03/11, 23:24

jlt22 wrote:Here are the different electricity rates in France, in August 2010:
https://www.econologie.com/fichiers/partager2/1300997700sjWZXp.pdf


So according to this tariff, with my current conso, in France I should pay 32 € ...

I will try to find a trace of my bills in France ... it seems strange to me anyway ...

Well, if not for those who are interested, there are the details of the "composition" of electricity here :)

40% charcoal
4% gas
20% nuclear

-> 65% "conventional"

33,4% hydro
1% eolien

-> 35% "renewable"
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by raymon » 02/12/13, 14:44

A little up to competitive renewable electricity has a short heat even more in France than in Germany:
By 15 years, even in the less windy areas, coal and gas are no longer competitive. Lignite remains competitive. Large scale solar becomes competitive with coal and gas before 2020 and lignite before 2030. The small photovoltaic, that of the individual, becomes competitive with electricity produced by large coal or gas power plants in less than fifteen years.

Note that this is the competitiveness of production costs studied from the point of view of the economists of the German nation. For the German citizen and small organizations, including local authorities, at 14,2 cts the solar kWh in the least favorable cases, self-consumed photovoltaic electricity is almost half as expensive as that purchased on the grid. At 7,8 it's a very, very good deal.
In France, the bride even more beautiful

The French reader will keep in mind that the southernmost regions of Germany are at the latitude of Besançon and that the sunshine of the southern French areas can be 30% to 40% higher than the best German areas, thus improving the cost of production.

France also offers load factors for its wind turbines generally higher than German load factors (see the study of the French expert Bernard Chabot here in PDF). Overall, therefore, the same study transposed to France would lead to even more favorable results for renewable energies.


http://www.ddmagazine.com/2750-Lelectri ... terme.html

And there are still some who want to stuff us nuke and coal!
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by Did67 » 03/12/13, 13:56

A more "boeotian" version:

- an individual installation to the standards of 3 kWc (3 kilowattpeak) costs about 12 000 euros TTC

- if we want to stay connected, to have current at night, current without limitation, without storage (high pruix), etc ... it is necessary to respect standards and it is this cost (except for the one who can make him -even !)

- in the East of France, 1 kWc produces on average 1 000 kWh each year (this year, a little less); verified on an installation of 600 m² / 80 kWc started in 2009

- so in 20 years, the roof of 3 kWc to 12 000 euros TTC will produce about 60 000 kWh

- the cost of production is therefore, today, without glitch on 20 years, 20 cents per kWh.

The difficulty in these "studies" is always to know from which base one starts: the price of the m² of panel? a very large "professional" installation with economies of scale ???

The subject is that in Germany, some businesses, in fact, move to self-production by installing themselves, for a whole set of parameters including the price (higher in Germany), taxes, investment rather than operation. .

We must therefore analyze more finely.

While noting that, indeed, little by little, we are going towards the convergence between the purchase price on the network (of which almost 50% of routing costs, do not forget it - see invoices!) And the price of production ... 20 cents against about 13,5 for an individual, it gets closer!
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by raymon » 03/12/13, 16:08

- so in 20 years, the roof of 3 kWc to 12 000 euros TTC will produce about 60 000 kWh

- the cost of production is therefore, today, without glitch on 20 years, 20 cents per kWh.

In the southern part of France it's more at home 4300 kwh year for 3 kwc is 1400 kwh and 20 years is a minimum duration.

And 12 000 euros is integrated in the roof is a little less posed.
If we count 10 000 euros and 4300kwh x 25 years = 107500kwh

10 000 euros / 107500 = 0,93 cts
Optimistic calculation of a guy who lives near Marseille!

The EPR is at 10,5 cts.
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by Gaston » 03/12/13, 16:34

raymon wrote:10 000 euros / 107500 = 0,93 cts
Optimistic calculation of a guy who lives near Marseille!
Optimistic and false : Mrgreen:
It gives 9,3 cts / kWh : Wink:

For 25 years, I will not say ... but I'm afraid especially for the life of the UPS :?
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by Did67 » 03/12/13, 17:02

1) Yes, if we self-consume, we can "scratch" the cost by not integrating ...

2) Yes, the calculation is to be done for each geographical situation ...

3) And yes, everyone, depending on whether he is optimistic or pessimistic, will position the cursor of the expected life of the installation ...

And depending on all that, we will be between 10 and 20 cents. So at par with the current bought or slightly below, or some poeu above ...

Not to mention some quibble of the kind of tax credit or, for a company, recovery of VAT ...
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by moinsdewatt » 25/07/16, 09:24

Here is the current offer in France (Mon Nouvel Obs paper of the week).

There are names I did not know.

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for Ekwateur:

ekWateur Provides Renewable Energy to 54 State Services

08 July 2016 | Actu-Environnement.com

The young energy supplier ekWateur won the fourth batch of the state tender for small powers. The first three were won by Total Energie Gaz. ekWateur will therefore provide renewable electricity for 54 State services including Ademe, the National Audiovisual Institute (INA) and the Sorbonne. This three-year contract has a value of 4,5million euros and concerns the supply of more than 2.600 sites from the January 1 2017er.

Its license of supply acquired in 2016, ekWateur wants to be supplier of collaborative energy. Its Internet-based model and data analysis will allow users to track their energy consumption and compare it with the past. Solutions will be offered to reduce their consumption.

http://www.actu-environnement.com/ae/ne ... 27177.php4

and to Lampiris , we remember that he was vampirized by TOTAL mid June (200 000 customers in France):
http://www.la-croix.com/Economie/Entrep ... 1200768593
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by moinsdewatt » 03/02/19, 18:49

Electricity prices turn to political psychodrama
The regulator proposes an increase of 6% of the regulated tariffs. A puzzle for the public authorities, in the midst of the crisis of yellow vests.


By Frédéric De Monicault the 30 / 01 / 2019 Le Figaro

How should the government cope with the planned rise in electricity prices? Thursday, the Energy Regulatory Commission (CRE) conducts a hearing on this theme, in the presence of all suppliers in the market. The regulator has just proposed an increase in the regulated tariffs of 6%. The figure revealed by "Les Échos" is not a surprise. The law stipulates precisely that the supply costs of EDF are passed on to the consumer and it has been several weeks since the principle of a significant increase, above 5%, is mentioned. Initially, this tariff movement - which concerns more than 25 million households - should have taken place at the beginning of February. But that was before the rise of the yellow vests crisis, which led the government to decide to freeze electricity rates for at least the entire winter.

This freeze announced by Prime Minister Philippe Philippe does not mean that the French will escape an increase in electricity. Several times in the past, whether for gas and electricity, successive governments have decided not to follow CRE's recommendations. But the opponents of EDF and Engie brought the case before the Council of State, in the name of a distortion of competition caused by the absence of tariff increase: each time, they were heard, binding the public authorities to catch up on the bill, necessarily unpopular.

Government has three months to make a decision
In this case, the government is doubly exposed: on the one hand, the increase advocated by the CRE is consistent, on the other hand, a tariff movement would be almost considered provocative given the current social crisis. At the same time, the government is attentive to the interests of EDF, which relies heavily on this increase to meet its - heavy - investment trajectory. Precision: the increase in regulated tariffs, primarily due to the increase in market prices, concerns only the supply part of the bill. This is composed of 40% of taxes, which the government could decide to lower so as not to penalize the consumer while complying with CRE's recommendations.

On the strict schedule, the government has three months to make a decision. If it does not move, the increase will be ratified. If he refuses to rise, he must motivate his decision and opens the door to a legal battle. In short, the issue of energy tariffs then becomes a real psychodrama, with a government that refuses to apply a rise while knowing in advance that he will lose the battle before the Council of State.

https://amp.lefigaro.fr/societes/2019/0 ... itique.php
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by PVresistif » 05/02/19, 18:06

the price of 12.5 ct / kwh is low: we are rather at 15 cent
see website http://osenon.free.fr
two chapters to see: night rate and taxes on electricity
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