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by Ahmed » 18/01/22, 19:05

It is called exponential economism and results from self-intoxication; how are you?
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by Christophe » 18/01/22, 19:06

Ahmed wrote:When a system based on growth begins to promote sobriety, there is legitimate reason to wonder.


That's exactly how I feel about this kind of seminars... so useless in the end...
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by izentrop » 18/01/22, 19:07

Remundo wrote:We will have to find a middle way that roughly maintains our living standards while making an energy transition to renewables.
This is Bertrand Piccard's speech. I quote a few excerpts. Overall, I think it's the right way, but bad reflexes prevent moving in the right direction
In his latest book “Realist. Let's be as logical as ecological”*, the President of the Solar Impulse Foundation Bertrand Piccard offers a pragmatic and joyful approach to the energy transition.

What is being creative? It means breaking away from the status quo, whether in art, technology, politics. If you are not creative, there is no evolution. The status quo refers to the past, to conditioning, to what has already been done.

In the past, profit and employment were tied to consumption, which got us into a rut. Because we always had to consume more, produce more, throw away more. Hence the current environmental disaster. Everything was founded on a society of waste. From now on, we must succeed in creating wealth and employment through efficiency. That is to say, technologies that make it possible to save, to consume less, to reuse more. That's eco-realism!...

Human psychology always wants more or better, not less. Talking about degrowth in Europe can still be heard. But we are a privileged island compared to the rest of the world which has only one goal, that of developing to join us. How to ask these populations to renounce their development? And as far as we are concerned, our industry allows us to pay salaries. Dividends from industrial profits are mostly used to finance pension funds. This is all that makes it possible to guarantee the social safety net. We cannot advocate economic decline without leading to social chaos.

You cite TotalEnergies as an example among manufacturers. For what reasons ?

This is an interesting case of diversification and we will have to ensure that it is properly implemented. When I told Patrick Pouyanné that I admired his commitment and his decisions, he told me he had no choice. Otherwise, his business would not survive. This is what other manufacturers must understand. Whether they are selfishly profit-driven or compassionately open to environmental protection, the only way forward is to shift to energy and resource efficiency and renewable energy. .
https://www.usinenouvelle.com/editorial ... d.N1164087
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by Ahmed » 18/01/22, 19:21

Piccard seems good at spiel. His analysis of the previous situation is not bad, however, but where it "softens hard" is when he wants to convince that value can be created by simple efficiency. Efficiency can bring a temporary competitive advantage to an innovative company, it's not a scoop, but it also destroys jobs and the value that they are no longer able to produce: it's the snake biting itself line up, because "creative destruction" is a concept that no longer works...
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by izentrop » 18/01/22, 19:39

You did not understand his speech which is to create employment on energy saving and recycling.
For example he cites https://www.ecotechceram.com/ which has developed a system for filtering factory fumes while recycling recovered heat for other industrial applications. :?: Hopefully it's not yet some kind of greenwashing. : Lol:

I don't know more, but he talks about investing in the right direction.
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by Ahmed » 18/01/22, 19:47

It's only a very banal economic transition that can only work on a large scale by destroying by normative obsolescence what already exists... It will remain in any case not very job-creating, rather sponges with capital in evil of placement and subsidies. I have a good local example with the rise of companies focused on the “hydrogen sector” which will not delude you for very long (but our imaginative minds will perhaps then be able to introduce a new “disruption”?).
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 18/01/22, 19:51

Bertrand Piccard ecologist of my buttocks:
Solar Impulse's ecological record is far from perfect

The Solar Impulse world tour would generate as much pollution as 200 people flying around the world in an airliner, according to estimates by a specialist for the RTS.

Compared to an Airbus A320 which consumes 3 liters of kerosene for 100 km per passenger, Bertrand Piccard and André Borschberg's solar-powered plane consumes nothing to complete the 35 kilometers of its world tour. However, this device is not necessarily very ecological.

To draw up an approximate assessment, Suren Erkman, professor of industrial ecology at UNIL and EPFL interviewed by the RTS, explains that three elements should be taken into account.

First, the gray energy, used for the construction of the two copies of the plane, their batteries and their polluting solar panels to be manufactured.


Solar Impulse is not an ecological or environmental project in the strict sense, but rather a technical-media performance intended to convey a message.
Suren Erkman, professor of industrial ecology at UNIL/EPFL
The following: https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/6 ... hable.html
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by Remundo » 18/01/22, 20:13

Ahmed wrote:It is called exponential economism and results from self-intoxication; how are you?

it's quite "rhetorical" and above all impersonal and abstract.

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by Ahmed » 18/01/22, 20:28

Impersonal and abstract, that's exactly it! :P
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by Remundo » 18/01/22, 20:50

I am hardly convinced that the majority of humans are projecting themselves into "exponential economism" or even "self-intoxication".

of course some of them have excessive aspirations, and the economic system has undeniable excesses.

When you have enough to eat, be properly housed and move around reasonably + internet network, well, that's already very good...

on the other hand, our modern societies are only interested in the GDP and this poses a problem of overconsumption. We should also place value, perhaps as much, on recycling a machine as selling another new one. In the same way, use the machine as long as possible, do not stuff it with obsolescence...

The scarcity of resources, whether metals or energy, will lead us to this anyway. Need to calm down a bit, without going back to the Stone Age.
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