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Re: Chernobyl Review, Cost, Maps and Contamination (France)




by ABC2019 » 27/04/21, 09:01

Janic wrote:
Russia, China, India among others have understood this well.
above all, they understood that they needed these plants to supply military uranium and that these “civilian” plants served to cover up the real reason. Countries without the bomb do not need nuclear power plants!

: roll: they need nothing to cover up at all since they are internationally recognized nuclear powers, no one is preventing them from making plutonium as they want. And of course there are countries with power plants without the bomb, there are plenty of them in Europe, Canada, etc ...
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by moinsdewatt » 27/04/21, 09:15

Janic wrote:
Russia, China, India among others have understood this well.
above all, they understood that they needed these plants to supply military uranium and that these “civilian” plants served to cover up the real reason. Countries without the bomb do not need nuclear power plants!


We are all terrified by the military activities of Belgian and Swiss nuclear power plants to make atomic bombs.
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Re: Chernobyl Review, Cost, Maps and Contamination (France)




by Janic » 27/04/21, 09:35

We are all terrified by the military activities of Belgian and Swiss nuclear power plants to make atomic bombs.
these countries are not motivated by a nuclear weapon, but by the exploitation of its thermal waste which justifies its exploitation. Then they send us their nuclear waste to be reprocessed to stay clean at home! Everyone gets rid of their shit as best they can!
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockage_ ... onstruites.
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by ABC2019 » 27/04/21, 11:42

Janic wrote:
We are all terrified by the military activities of Belgian and Swiss nuclear power plants to make atomic bombs.
these countries are not motivated by a nuclear weapon, but by the exploitation of its thermal waste which justifies its exploitation.

annoyed? : Shock:
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by izentrop » 27/04/21, 11:57

ABC2019 wrote:To play a major role, we would have to switch to breeding and build thousands of breeders all over the world, and that poses a whole lot of other problems, starting with the fact that no country has succeeded in mastering a breeder sector without insurmountable problems.
With Super Phenix, France had taken the lead, but political politics unfortunately ruined everything.
ABC2019 wrote:U235 reserves represent only a hundred Gtep, i.e. 10 years of global consumption
You forget that in France we know how to reprocess and that the EPRs are designed to work with MOX.
It is also true that the technology is not developed but it seems that research in this field is well distributed, a little everywhere in the world and that pro nuclear environmentalists are getting back on their feet. : Wink:
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by ABC2019 » 27/04/21, 12:02

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ABC2019 wrote:To play a major role, we would have to switch to breeding and build thousands of breeders all over the world, and that poses a whole lot of other problems, starting with the fact that no country has succeeded in mastering a breeder sector without insurmountable problems.
With Super Phenix, France had taken the lead, but political politics unfortunately ruined everything.

it doesn't contradict what I'm saying, and the main thing that derailed Superphénix was the dismantling of nuclear weapons after the fall of the USSR which flooded the market with cheap uranium, making the business model of breeder reactors very difficult to support.

Another fundamental problem is the development time, it would have taken 30 years for Superphénix to produce enough Pu to open a 2nd. A doubling time of 30 years is not super fast ...

If you add the political oppositions, the breeding will remain a chimera until the exhaustion of the fossils will have made the problem of the RC obsolete.
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by izentrop » 27/04/21, 12:47

ABC2019 wrote: U235 reserves represent only a hundred Gtep, i.e. 10 years of global consumption
Account 10% more for France which recycles plutonium, + 25% in the near future, the extraction process without extracting the rock ... https://www.cea.fr/Pages/domaines-reche ... eaire.aspx
and fast reactors are already a reality https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9ac ... ns_rapides
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Re: Chernobyl Review, Cost, Maps and Contamination (France)




by ABC2019 » 27/04/21, 12:52

izentrop wrote:
ABC2019 wrote: U235 reserves represent only a hundred Gtep, i.e. 10 years of global consumption
Account 10% more for France which recycles plutonium, + 25% in the near future, the extraction process without extracting the rock ... https://www.cea.fr/Pages/domaines-reche ... eaire.aspx

it will not change the root of the problem.
and fast reactors are already a reality https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9ac ... ns_rapides

RNR does not mean complete efficient breeding chain.
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Re: Chernobyl Review, Cost, Maps and Contamination (France)




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 27/04/21, 14:31

Areva (Even no longer listed on the stock exchange) changes its name and becomes Orano.
So what is Orareva?
: Arrow: Chemical pollution in Tricastin with the spillage of perchlorethylene and trichlorethylene into the water table.
: Arrow: Radioactive pollution "everywhere" and in Malvesi near Narbonne.
: Arrow: EPRs that do not work any more in France than in Finland or England costing us billions.
: Arrow: Corruption in Mongolia, Niger, Europe and elsewhere (Uraniumgate) and the embezzlement that goes with it.
: Arrow: The purchase of Chinese technology (The Hualong reactor) we are so bad.
: Arrow: Charges for fraud, cover-ups ('Anne Lauvergeon, Gérald Arbola, Alain-Pierre Raynaud, Thierry Noircler, Sébastien de Montessus, Nicolas Nouveau) in the Uramin affair, a financial pit of 1,456 billion euros.
: Arrow: Total horror in Arlit (Niger), a militarized zone where the inhabitants drink radioactive water, where we deplore malformations of newborns, where houses are made with earth from the mine, where we die cancers, respiratory diseases, where the scrap metal from the mine is remelted to make kitchen utensils, where WE DIE in general indifference and from where Orareva will retire, leaving a polluted brothel for hundreds of years and sick people on the floor.
We continue ? No, we stop, there are pages and pages of horror.
Go ahead, you can applaud.
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Re: Chernobyl Review, Cost, Maps and Contamination (France)




by moinsdewatt » 22/08/21, 11:47

The dismantling of the old sarcophagus of the Chernobyl reactor4 received its administrative authorization:

License issued for Chernobyl decommissioning
20 August 2021

The project to dismantle the historic Chernobyl Shelter Object can begin, after Chernobyl NPP was granted the requisite license today. The aging Shelter has been superseded by the New Safe Confinement, which now surrounds unit 4 and contains equipment to undertake the work.

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The Chernobyl New Safe Containment (Image: Chernobyl NPP)

"We will again have to do things that no one has done before", said Valeriy Seyda, acting director general of Chernobyl NPP, describing both the planning of a procedure to take down the unstable structures that were hastily erected in the immediate aftermath of the 1986 accident, as well as the work to actually do it.

The license for "processing and storage of radioactive waste" was presented today by the State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate (SNRI) of Ukraine at a ceremony including the Ministry of Environmental Protection and Natural Resources of Ukraine, the State Agency of Ukraine for Exclusion Zone Management, representatives of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development and the European Commission.

The license award comes after a year of pilot operation of the Confinement, which has been fitted out and tested to SNRI's satisfaction. It was constructed alongside the former Chernobyl plant from 2012 to 2015 and put into position in November 2016.


https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Arti ... missioning

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