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by Lietseu » 26/10/09, 22:45

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Certainly, Ahmed, you are expected at Lietseu to drink a beer or a glass of water and have an exchange on the things of life :D


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by Aumicron » 27/10/09, 09:22

Lietseu wrote:Certainly, Ahmed, you are expected at Lietseu to drink a beer

You are unconscious. Offer beer while alcohol kills much more than nuclear in terms of death / GWh products ...

+1 with Ahmed.
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by jonule » 27/10/09, 11:01

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very good ! +1

once again we must distinguish what we have the choice to do, and what is imposed on us.

I have the choice to drink alcohol and to smoke tobacco, but not the choice to be contaminated by the daily releases of tritiated water as well as releases (monthly?) of uranium leakage from power stations: c is indeed a dictate.



the latter the revealed traffics clearly show the purpose of this industrial lobby (like any one): the money, which they put in their pockets while totally ignoring the danger of the waste, or by dumping it in the open sea pocketing the corresponding disposal recipe ...
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by Lietseu » 27/10/09, 12:44

Me all that makes me want to re-send invitations for the future econological meeting ...

The 2010 meeting will be giant, or it won't be !!!

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by Ahmed » 27/10/09, 20:29

Special thanks Lietseu for his kind invitation! Belgian beer, a whole program!

I must add that the atomic industry should not be considered as an almost virtual activity compared to other fossil fuels, even if it has specificities.
A reader of the "World" was astonished to see appearing, in a comparison between the various energies, a small percentage of CO2 for nuclear energy: this shows quite well the power of the myth which surrounds this production and the opacity made around it. ...

In Niger, the ore is extracted using coal extracted in the region and local underground aquifers: the first is almost exhausted and heavily polluted, the second and latestwill suffer the same fate. Ultimately, more water and radio-activity as a bonus ...
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by sen-no-sen » 27/10/09, 20:42

Ahmed wrote:Another point to emphasize, on such an important topic, neverthe choice of nuclear power has not been subject to prior public debate.


You is right, indeed the nuclear escapes the public debate because the civil nuclear is only the offspring of the nuclear weapons that are indivisible two areas.
It is therefore not surprising that the subject escapes the citizens, even if civilians must pay the piper at great cost billions.

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by jonule » 28/10/09, 09:51

however, even if the new nuclear transparency law (or rather opacity, finally the same thing) was voted in the middle of 2006, the debate has been largely brought to the fore since the disasters generated and postponed by this lobby, which explodes in broad daylight, like the last traffics revealed.
+ this kind of information will be known and + the public will be warned and VOTE against.
well, as you ask, we have a debate / vote on this site?
what do you suggest as choice questions? =)

Ahmed wrote:In Niger, the ore is extracted using coal extracted in the region and local underground aquifers: the first is almost exhausted and heavily polluted, the second and latestwill suffer the same fate. Ultimately, more water and radio-activity as a bonus ...


that's why it was banned in France, by ethics!

you just have to see what the landscapes of the old extraction mines in France look like, a real disaster ... for clean energy ah yeah that's true ...

I hope that there are not kids who will go to play on these grounds on the sly :?:
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by Ahmed » 28/10/09, 19:20

that's why it was banned in France, by ethics!

I guess it's second degree ...
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by Ahmed » 29/10/09, 22:11

well, as you ask, we have a debate / vote on this site?
what do you suggest as choice questions? =)

I did not request a vote on the forum… As for a debate, in general it tends to evolve towards + and + technical and absconse considerations which end up discouraging the most daring…
It is a fatal drift observed during a debate organized by the public authorities and which aims to smoothly defuse the reality of the problem (eg Grenelle de l'Environnement), the conclusion being unstoppable: let the specialists do it!

During the first anti-nuclear demonstrations, the dispute focused on these themes, which greatly limited their scope; the positive side is that the nuclear industry has been forced to a faultless (?): somehow the prediction of a disaster has made it much less likely!
This choice clearly shows that the debate if it is not made technical becomes inaudible, while the real dimension is anything but technical.
A real debate should concern a choice of society, the common good, a-way-of-life-together, but this debate is rejected in advance: economic and technical imperatives would have such a great logic that it would constrain politicians to give up any deliberate choice to give way to the all-powerful numbers.
These figures show those who are willing to think about it that the quantitative prevails over the project, and the how over the why.
Can we still speak today of a common project when the tyranny of numbers isolates us every day more?

Our situation is fairly well summarized by the joke of the drunk who searches at night for his key under a street lamp: it is not there that he lost it, but it is the only place where he sees it. clear…
The excesses of finance are nothing other than the large-scale application of this same approach.


+ this kind of information will be known and + the public will be warned and VOTE against.

It is to be hoped that public opinion evolves in a more critical direction, however I have many reservations as to the direction of the vote, I tend to think of it the same thing as of the debate… So that a vote has a value it would be necessary that the voters are fully informed, therefore that the media are free from any influence, that democracy is active, that the parties tend (at least some!) towards a common good, in short, conditions far from 'be met and which, if they were, would likely render the vote useless.

I must emphasize to return to this report, as to all of the genre, it can play an opposite role in reassuring the public.
Let me explain: permanently subject to the justification of the merits of nuclear policy by all the media, everyone nevertheless has a certain doubt, that some more critical programs can be heard plays a cathartic role and legitimizes these fears by providing them a status by delegation. This is what N. Hulot does when he represents and images our indignation at the devastation of the planet, and suddenly relieves us to be ourselves this indignation.

"In the society of the spectacle, the truth is a moment of the lie", wrote Guy Debord.
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by pvrigna » 30/10/09, 00:22

Someone save it for distracted? thank you ! :D


Hello,

I recorded it and put it on DVD video.

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