Yellow Vests: Is the call of the November 17 justified? #GiletsJaunes

[to be chafoin]

A striking example of the famous contempt for class which we spoke about during the movement. From an expert, researcher at EHESS (nothing to do here with a former researcher of this institution Cornelius Castoriadis, whose opinion and analysis could certainly not have been taken up by Franceinfo), and from the part of a large public media which relays the "point of view" without distancing itself.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/transports/gilets-jaunes/point-de-vue-les-gilets-jaunes-entre-feuilleton-televisuel-ideal-et-democratie-directe-en-peau-de-lapin_3136479.html

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2019/01/1 ... _23640605/

"The troubles that our society is going through are also sometimes due, linked to the fact that too many of our fellow citizens think that we can obtain without this effort being made. Sometimes we have too often forgotten that next to the rights of everyone in the Republic - and our Republic has nothing to envy to many others - there are duties. And if there is not this commitment and this sense of effort, the fact that each citizen brings his stone at the building through its commitment to work, our country will never be able to fully recover its strength, its cohesion, which is its history, its present and its future. "

This is the exact text of the speech of the day that makes the canvas vibrate.

And a little before the sentence: you have nothing in life if you do not have this effort ....

If the translation of the Reuters agency is above all "seller" the full text is hardly better.

Going to say this to retirees who have worked all their lives and who are living in misery is, to say the least, very inappropriate.
To say that to a craftsman who does not count his hours and who touches a misery is to say the least very inappropriate.
To go and say that to health professions who toil like ... sick people is at the very least inappropriate.

Going to say this to high-ranking officials who are highly placarded, on the other hand, would not be very inappropriate.
Go and say this to country doctors ... er, no to doctors who no longer want to set foot in the countryside, nor ensure the guards on weekends and holidays it would not be very inappropriate.


We agree that there are flanks, but when we know the social minima is this a very enviable situation?

In short everyone can read this speech in the light of their convictions but it seems to me to add fuel to the fire rather than allaying tensions and wanting to pit the French against each other a curious way of assuming a function presidential.

[Christophe]

Some info on Act 9: https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/ ... _3224.html

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Here in C in the Air on the 5 .... same reflection as what I said above ....

"The GJ are above all poor workers, invisible to the Republic ...." and to treat them, hollow, of lazy people is to make a major analytical error.

THIS SAYS

After a lively debate this afternoon with friends the idea is spreading more and more that this arrogance is deliberate either in order to throw fuel on the express fire in the hope of overflows of violence.

Or to further divide the oppositions.

Still, what I have said from the start, at this moment, is still the norm: Macron re-elected hands down against Mélenchon or Le Pen ...

Many shout loudly against Macron but not many people are ready to vote AGAINST him in case of presence in the second round against the two aforementioned ....


In this case, according to some, it might be in his interest to resign in order to be re-elected in the process ...

Not sure at the moment in my opinion because it could be 3rd.


Only hope for his detractors therefore ... a 3rd place in the 1st round ... not obvious but, who knows, not impossible

[Remundo]

Here in C in the Air on the 5 .... same reflection as what I said above.
Still, what I have said from the start, at this moment, is still the norm: Macron re-elected hands down against Mélenchon or Le Pen ...

Many shout loudly against Macron but not many people are ready to vote AGAINST him in case of presence in the second round against the two aforementioned ....

I do not think that LREM will have good scores, but obviously, if the oppositions are too fragmented, this madness may continue.

the French must also stop falling into the trap of "stopping fascism". Fascism, they live it now without knowing it ... at least it is a form of fascism which destroys democracy by claiming to embody it, for the greatest benefit of bancaro-mondialism.

I repeat: we need sovereignty in France, and the junction of the 5-star movement with the Northern League in Italy should inspire ... the problem is that Mélenchon and Marine le Pen are probably little inhabited by the real desire to govern, a fortiori together and revel in their role as scarecrows.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Here in C in the Air on the 5 .... same reflection as what I said above.
Still, what I have said from the start, at this moment, is still the norm: Macron re-elected hands down against Mélenchon or Le Pen ...

Many shout loudly against Macron but not many people are ready to vote AGAINST him in case of presence in the second round against the two aforementioned ....

I do not think that LREM will have good scores, but obviously, if the oppositions are too fragmented, this madness may continue.

the French must also stop falling into the trap of "stopping fascism". Fascism, they live it now without knowing it ... at least it is a form of fascism which destroys democracy by claiming to embody it, for the greatest benefit of bancaro-mondialism.

I repeat: we need sovereignty in France, and the junction of the 5-star movement with the Northern League in Italy should inspire ... the problem is that Mélenchon and Marine le Pen are probably little inhabited by the real desire to govern, a fortiori together and revel in their role as scarecrows.

My faith, everyone believes in who they believe.

I do not think at all that we can qualify the current president as facsciste: stop losing the meaning of words ...

It is a simple corporate governance in which the boss does not intend to suffer from dispute: which is after all very commonplace and that each of us may have lived or still lives in his professional life.

Bosses like that there are thousands of them and it must be admitted that this is the norm in a very large majority of companies, right?

This is also a bit why he was elected, because he was less political than his predecessors.

What could turn out to be an advantage before the election became a disadvantage afterwards because few people thought they would find themselves treated by the first character of the country as they are every day at work ... there is an overdose

Already that respect is not the main virtue of many managers if in addition it recurs at the highest peak of the state, as I often say .... we are badly crossed.

[Remundo]

he is a head of state, he must not behave like a capricious and arrogant CEO ...

Fascism is an authoritarian political system which combines populism, nationalism1 and totalitarianism2 in the name of a supreme collective ideal. A revolutionary movement, it directly opposes parliamentary democracy and the liberal state guaranteeing individual rights3,4

Macron is not fascist in the historical or political sense of the term.

He is an alter-fascist: he abhors populism and nationalism, but imposes totalitarianism which perverts parliamentary democracy in the service of its ideal; plutocratic bankarism.

[Janic]

Von Papen and the Conservatives hope to use the Nazi Führer to stem the Communist threat. Full of illusions, they believe they can keep it in hand. His party is indeed losing momentum since the legislative elections of November 6, 1932 which earned him 33,1% of the vote instead of 37,3% in July. He lost two million votes out of a total of 17 million in four months.
The new chancellor constitutes in the most legal way a government largely open to the representatives of the classic right. He only has three Nazis, including Hitler. Von Papen is himself vice-chancellor. In the absence of an absolute majority in Parliament, Hitler seems far from being able to govern at ease. No one takes racist speech seriously. Many Germans, on the other hand, think that it can redress the country in the grip of the economic crisis.

https://www.herodote.net/30_janvier_193 ... 330130.php

history repeats history with a few nuances; already the same age, the same dominating ambition, the same need to purify the "bad guys" in their eyes, etc ... that is called fascism, nazism, napoleonism, alexandrism or charlemagnisme, times change, circumstances change, but not humans.

Charlemagne imposes school for all (especially the rich) Henri IV the chicken in the pot every Sunday (vouah what reform) but by political opportunism he abandons Protestantism to "convert" to Catholicism, Napoleon takes advantage of the republic to make his relatives of kings and queens, Hitler finished the great ethnic cleansing started by the Catholic religion and instituted modern medicine with his tests on guinea pigs..humans (but he only had that on hand! ); nothing but good people who care about others ... forgive themselves!

[Remundo]

already posted, but I put it again because it is fundamental. This is what Macron defends

1) the power of monetary creation is entrusted to an unelected supranational organization: the ECB
2) foreign policy is entrusted to an unelected supranational organization: NATO
3) the budget vote is submitted to an unelected supranational organization: the European Union
4) French law is disowned and shaped by unelected supranational organizations: the "high courts" of the European Union
5) all French income tax is annually phagocyted by non-elected supranational organizations: private banks
6) even the institutions of the Fifth Republic are diverted to be undemocratic (five-year period with simultaneous ultramjoritary legislatures, and no intermediate elections or referendums)

Here.

[Christophe]

Good summary Raymond, pending the movement is gaining momentum and violence continues ... in 2 sens ...

There is a great "publicity" campaign against police violence ... but by whom was it created? Anonymous Gilets Jaunes or an organization? It takes a budget to make such posters ...