Yellow Vests: Is the call of the November 17 justified? #GiletsJaunes

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Ah ok ... if you say so

[Christophe]

An opinion about refining capacities, hypothesis already mentioned above ... in red my 2 reactions ...

Philippe sculier
27 December 2018, 17:41
Small explanation for the sores .... do not need to do a large study to understand it.

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"Dear ministers, writing that people should be allowed time to migrate from diesel-powered cars to gasoline-powered cars shows that you, like most of our fellow citizens, have no idea how different petroleum products?

A mad ecologist (a "yaka" as we all know him) recently told me that the solution was simple: "yakaplu" to make diesel.

He too believed that we "manufactured" diesel on demand.

So I'm going to shed some light on your lantern and explain to you how we obtain the different products from the distillation of petroleum. Yes, a refinery is neither more nor less than a distillery and we distill oil like lavender for perfumery or grapes for hooch.

To keep it simple and by schematizing a lot (because in truth it is a little more complex):

1) We pour crude oil into a huge tank and we light the fire underneath, very slowly at the beginning: 20 ° c

2) The tank then begins to “degas”, and the gases are recovered: propane, butane, LPG.

3) The fire is increased to around 150 to 200 ° C, the vapors come out which, once condensed, give petroleum essences. First naphtha for petrochemicals, then gasoline for our cars.

4) The temperature is further increased up to around 300 ° C. The oils then rise: kerosene for airplanes, the famous diesel for our diesel engines, and domestic fuel oil and so on.

At the end, only the residues remain: the bitumens with which we make our roads.

Nothing is lost in oil.

CONCLUSION: We do not manufacture diesel on demand. Whether we like it or not, whether we consume it or not, it comes out of the tanks during the process. And this diesel represents 21% of the mass of crude oil, which is far from negligible. (45% for gasoline).

The question is: What do you do with it if you stop consuming it?

Towards the end of the sixties, only trucks, not too big boats and a few rare cars were equipped with diesel engines. We did not consume all the diesel from refineries. The surplus was thrown back into the sea. (No kidding ?????)
The oil companies, faced with this shortfall, then turned to car manufacturers to ask them to develop diesel engines, and this is what manufacturers are doing.

With new alloys accepting high operating temperatures, higher compression ratios and the integration of the supercharging system (turbos), they obtained diesel engines as efficient as gasoline engines, more reliable, with better longevity and consuming less. The success of diesel engines, helped by a less harsh tax on diesel, has therefore been dazzling.

I remember that at the time, billboards of 4m by 3, praised the diesel engine, and the press praised in all the articles the "ecology" of the diesel engine, claiming that it polluted less than the gasoline engine.

The problem today is that we have reversed the trend, and that there is, especially in France, a big imbalance in demand between gasoline and diesel. It is therefore imperative for the oil companies to return to balance, and contrary to what people believe, there is no question of eradicating diesel engines, at the risk of going back to the sixties.

How to resolve this dilemma?

Knowing that between two engines, people will always choose the most efficient, we must therefore conduct a campaign to denigrate the preferred engine of users. So we mobilize the politicians and the press, we take a handful of furious environmentalist fundamentalists to whom we “stuff our heads”, and let's go to shape public opinion and manufacture consent.

And you will see that when we have returned to equilibrium (2 petrol vehicles for 1 diesel vehicle) as if by magic, we will find the virtues of diesel fuel. Especially since the big problem with diesel is the rejection of particles, and it has been solved by the addition of particle filters which trap 99% of emissions. (not really true)

In the meantime, what are you going to do with this diesel that you are forcing us to stop consuming? If you export it, it will be burnt anyway, somewhere else but burnt. The result will be the same for the Planet ... "

[Janic]

In the meantime, what are you going to do with this diesel that you are forcing us to stop consuming? If you export it, it will be burnt anyway, somewhere else but burnt. The result will be the same for the Planet ... "

absolutely right! Something will have to be done with it! What if we passed that on to the Chinese for a coal / fuel cocktail!

[Christophe]

What if we throw it into the sea?

[Janic]

aahhhh! sea ​​then!

[Christophe]

The buzz video of the day:

[Christophe]

Other videos of the day here: https://twitter.com/LinePress

The Yellow Vests are far from dead !!!

[Christophe]

All is said: the dictatorship on the march!



Long live the people, long live the bees, long live the yellow vests (it's true that they are the same color as the bees!)

[Christophe]

Etienne Chouard explains his "links" with the extreme right:

[Christophe]

BFM TV announces 25.000 demonstrators nationwide according to an anonymous police source. This affluence is barely that of a league football match 1. Ubuesque.

France Police - Angry policemen estimates the participation at around 300.000 demonstrators throughout France for this act 8.

Is this figure fanciful? The Francetvinfo site for example announces 3000 demonstrators in the small provincial town of Valence in the Drôme. 3000 yellow vests also in Caen in Normandy according to the same source. For its part, the prefecture evokes 5000 demonstrators in Bordeaux.

Even taking into account the figures communicated locally by the Establishment itself, it is obvious that the estimate of 25.000 protesters does not hold water. This does not prevent the media from relaying this figure and systematically boycotting our estimates since November 17.

https://france-police.org/2019/01/05/de ... lexecutif/