Germany in 2050 without nuclear

[moinsdewatt]

Goods.
Do you have the source?

[sicetaitsimple]

Goods.
Do you have the source?

https://strom-report.de/strom/#strommix ... eutschland

[yves35]

Hello,

Is it still relevant to say "France" or "Germany" when the electricity grids are interconnected? The Germany of today even if there were no nuclear power plants would consume power of nuclear origin, but produced in France then in 2050 ...
It is an accounting trick but on the physical level it is false. It is precisely the chart of accounts that matters to certain promoters of so-called renewable energy. It is a question of capturing the rent from the subsidies. Regardless of the need or the actual service rendered

yves

[sicetaitsimple]

Is it still relevant to say "France" or "Germany" when the electricity grids are interconnected?

Yes, of course, it is relevant. The result is a reflection of an energy policy. Now, that Germany imports (net) about 10TWh from France (I believe it is the order of magnitude 2019) compared to a production of more than 500TWh, we are in an "adjustment" which in addition varies widely from year to year.

[sen-no-sen]

Hello,

is it still relevant to say "France" or "Germany" when the electricity grids are interconnected? The Germany of today even if there were no nuclear power plants would consume power of nuclear origin, but produced in France then in 2050 ... (...)
yves

Yes and that should not change due to the fact that in the hypothesis of a dominant renewable production in Germany (70/80% of renewable energy in electric production?), This one would be enough to supply by period of good weather (winds strong and sunny) a large part of the European Union ...

[sicetaitsimple]

Is it still relevant to say "France" or "Germany" when the electricity grids are interconnected?

Yes, of course, it is relevant.

A small technical supplement: the "net transfer capacity", that is to say the interconnection capacity available for trade, is between France and Germany about 5000MW on average over the year. if one or the other of the two countries suddenly became a permanent exporter from 1/01 to 31/12 at the level of this maximum capacity, it would export around 45TWh over the year, so in both cases less than 10% of the consumption of his partner.
Interconnected yes, and for a long time, with reciprocal benefits, but absolutely not "dependent" in volume.
It can be or become the case for other countries, which import around 20% of their electricity (Belgium, Italy in particular).

[yves35]

Good evening

Interconnected yes, and for a long time, with reciprocal benefits, but absolutely not "dependent" in volume

even if a boat breaks an electric cable in the port of Hamburg? is that not likely to plunge part of Europe in the dark?

It must be kept in mind that every second the production must be equal to the consumption otherwise the quality of the current deteriorates (voltage, frequency). Surplus PV production in summer is of no help in winter except at accountants

yves

[sicetaitsimple]

OK, we weren't talking about the same thing.

Yes, an incident in Germany can have consequences in France (and elsewhere), and vice versa.

[sicetaitsimple]

To illustrate, the progression of renewables vs fossils in Germany in terms of electricity production over about 20 years, which is not however very long. Not easy, very expensive, but still doable. Of course no interest to transpose in France at least in the short / medium term.

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[moinsdewatt]

The Philippsburg 2 reactor, permanently shut down on December 31, 2019.
1392 MWe out of production.

German reactor enters decommissioning

January 02 2020

Unit 2 of Germany's Philippsburg nuclear power plant was disconnected from the grid at 6.55pm on December 31, as planned, marking the end of 35 years of operation. Operator EnBW said it will begin dismantling the unit in the second half of this year.


Philippsburg unit 2 (Image: EnBW)

During the shutdown process, output from the 1392 MWe pressurized water reactor was gradually reduced by the stepwise insertion of the control rods into the reactor core. EnBW said this process - the same as that carried out prior to planned annual maintenance and refueling outages - went "technically as planned and without any special features".

Philippsburg 2 was initially connected to the grid on 17 December 1984 and began commercial operation in April the following year. Since its commissioning, the unit has generated about 10 terawatt-hours of electricity annually and over 355 TWh during its operating lifetime. The unit has met around one-sixth of the German state of Baden-Württemberg's total electricity requirements and provided power to about two-thirds of private households in the state.

EnBW submitted an application in early 2016 to the Baden-Württemberg's Ministry of Environment for decommissioning and dismantling Philippsburg 2. The utility was granted that permit on 19 December. The dismantling of unit will begin with the transfer of used fuel from the reactor's core to its storage pool. Dismantling of the primary coolant lines is scheduled to begin in the second half of this year. EnBW expects the dismantling of the entire unit to take around 10 to 15 years.

Philippsburg 1 - an 890 MWe boiling water reactor which began operating in 1979 - was among the eight oldest German reactors taken out of service at the order of Chancellor Angela Merkel days after a tsunami hit Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in March 2011. Together, units 1 and 2 of the Philippsburg plant generated a total of 570 TWh of electricity over the past 40 years.

Thanking the 700 workers at the site, Jörg Michels, head of EnBW's nuclear power division, said: "Together we have ensured 40 years of safe electricity production at the Philippsburg site with units 1 and 2. From now on, unit 2 will focus on safe and speedy dismantling - as has been the case with unit 1 since 2017. We are happy to be able to tackle this task with our experienced and competent employees, to whom we can open up an interesting professional perspective following electricity production. "

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Artic ... missioning