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by Christophe » 13/03/11, 19:09

Ok well all inclusive the kWh EdF is at 12 cents but surely a little more now.

At Enercoop on an 9kVA subscription with 3000 kWh per year we would have: 12 * 10,85 + 3000 * 0,1461 = 568,5 is 18.95 cts / kWh.

To compare with the same case at EdF.

It remains frankly a good price (if no hidden costs) and cheaper than our 25 cts ... but of course at this price exit the electric heating!

The problem with Enercoop I think it's eligibility, when I looked at the time it was restrictive!

ps: the VAT is how much 19.6% does not stick ???
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by fthanron » 13/03/11, 19:22

From HT to TTC, here is what is indicated:

"The prices inclusive of VAT include local taxes (under the assumption of 12% calculated on 80% of the invoice excluding VAT), the CTA (Contribution Tariff d'Acheminement), the CSPE (Contribution to the Public Service of Electricity) and the VAT."

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Upon receipt of the file, I would say more ...

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by Christophe » 13/03/11, 19:29

Yes I had thought of all these taxes (cspe ...) but what I do not understand is that VAT does not seem to 19.6% because if we do HT * VAT we find more than the TTC (so VAT + other taxes ...) ???

We have a rate of 19.6% on electricity in France no?
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by fthanron » 13/03/11, 19:49

There are two separate rates:

subscription = 5.5%
consumption = 19.6%

It may help you: http://archives.lesechos.fr/archives/2004/LesEchos/19099-60-ECH.htm

No time to recalculate.

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by Christophe » 13/03/11, 20:42

Thanks for the link but uh sorry to insist but the link is about 18.6%?

Well I think the best is still to study an invoice Edf ... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by renaud67 » 14/03/11, 09:48

Hello,
Can they supply how many (power, people) currently green producers?
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by Christophe » 14/03/11, 09:53

renaud67 wrote:Hello,
Can they supply how many (power, people) currently green producers?


This is the basic question that I asked above: not much at the scale of France ... a few% but I can not see how, given the lack of flexibility of renewable energies and networking, it would be possible to be powered exclusively by renewable current.

In the best case there are compensations. In the worst ... uh ... see below ... : Cheesy:

But there is another problem: that of falsely green electricity.

When we see how, at least in Belgium, electricity is "painted" in green via some industrial-legal shenanigans ... Read this report produced by TestAchats (equivalent to UFC) and Greenpeace: is green electricity so green and green?
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by Christophe » 09/09/11, 10:36

Finally the idea of ​​this subject was not so bad since there was indeed a "fukushima effect" on the producers of green electricity: http://www.novethic.fr/novethic/ecologi ... elable.jsp

A "Fukushima effect" on renewable energy suppliers

Following the accident at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, many French people chose to opt for a renewable energy supplier. The effect is particularly visible at the Enercoop cooperative but is also found, to a lesser extent at "Planète Oui", one of its main competitors. A long-term trend?


While up to now more than two-thirds of the population has been defending the atom since the Fukushima accident, More 7 French 10 are now in favor of the country leaving the nuclear *. And little by little, the dangers of climate change, the controversy over shale gas, the rise in the price of electricity, have created a beginning of societal debate on the country's energy choices. A reversal of the situation that, for some, translates into the choice of their energy supplier. Since March 2011, Enercoop, which offers a 100% renewable energy offer, is seeing its membership applications explode: while it received an average of 200 subscription requests per month, the cooperative signed 573 contracts in March, 605 in April, 548 in May ... and again 486 in August, a traditionally hollow month. A phenomenon which is also sensitive at regional level, as in Rhône-Alpes, where the cooperative opened a branch last year which now has 2 customers. “The demand does not seem to weaken, remarks with pleasure Patrick Behms, the president of Enercoop. Because the Fukushima accident was above all a trigger for people already convinced by our values ​​to take the plunge. This is extremely noticeable in the calls we receive: people tell us that in view of what has happened, "they have to get involved" "Result: after five years of effective existence, Enercoop should cross in September 2011 the cape 10 000 subscribers she had set for end 2012 and end the year with 12 000 customers.

The effect Fukushima has also been felt at "Planet Yes", an operator appeared in 2007 and also offers a "100% renewable" offer. Much more discreet about its number of customers - "a few thousand" according to CEO Nicolas Milko who says he does not want to "enter the race for portfolios" - the company has also benefited from a "wave of subscriptions from 'an activist public who hesitated to commit'. However "it has been a little extinct since," he admits. "That said, there is a kind of second effect: this debate has also made them aware of the opacity of their energy bill. A new wave of customers comes to us because they are tired of not understanding their electricity bill that is less and less their consumption, "says the boss of" Planet Yes ". What is the goal of 40 000 customers that the company has set for 2013?

In the meantime, if these suppliers are both exclusively focused on renewable energy, everyone has their own vision of the market and how to promote them.

Enercoop, the most independent

On one side, Enercoop. This SCIC ** of 15 people, whose project was launched in 2004 by 22 actors from the social and solidarity economy, renewable energies and the associative world (Greenpeace, La Nef, Biocoop, CLER etc.), is today the only supplier to source exclusively and directly from small producers of renewable energies. As close as possible to consumers, thanks to its new regional structures (Champagne Ardennes, Rhône Alpes, Nord Pas de Calais and Languedoc Roussillon). At 90%, it is a question of small hydraulics, the remaining 10% being drawn from large and small wind turbines, photovoltaic solar power and biomass. But difficult to push further these technologies because Enercoop can not enjoy the financial benefits of EDF. Clearly, today Enercoop can easily buy small hydraulic money between 40 and 50 € the megawatt hour when the market price of electricity is 60 €. But it has much more difficulty to pay the 80 90 € needed for wind or even 300 € solar. Indeed, if EDF recovers the difference between the price paid and the market price through the CSPE, (the Contribution to the electricity utility paid by all electricity consumers, including those contracting with alternative suppliers ), the other operators do not benefit.

A "distortion of competition" in favor of EDF according to Enercoop, which filed a file in Brussels in this sense in 2007. "But if no one disputes the merits of our demand, in France, we are still globally towards the opening of the market backwards and every year, the project is postponed," regrets Patrick Behms. In fact, Enercoop customers must theoretically pay 25 30% more than EDF customers. A gap that is reduced, however, because the cooperative encourages its customers to control consumption. Successfully: they consume on average 10 15% less than the average French, which reduces the rise in the monthly score between 8 and 10 € on average. An additional cost that remains a brake for the most modest but does not stop the more motivated: "the people who subscribe to us are in a process that often goes beyond the adhesion to a green offer: three quarters of our customers are also members, "says Patrick Bhems. And if one day, the French market deregulates completely, then the CEO of Enercoop is sure, its offer will be very competitive. And to cite the example of the success of Ecopower: its twin Belgian who is now the cheapest operator in the country, has attracted more than 20 000 customers and must wait for many others. Meanwhile, Enercoop is already proud to be in balance for the second year in a row. Good performance among alternative operators.

Planet yes, the most accessible

If “Planet Yes” for its part is not yet in equilibrium, the small company of 10 people now offers a 100% renewable offer “accessible to all”, at the price of the regulated tariff. How? 'Or' What ? First, the energy mix is ​​95% large hydropower. The rest comes from wind power (from its partner Windeo), solar power and biomass. To allow “Planète oui” to increase this share to 20%, the most convinced customers can subscribe to a “push” option at 3 € / month. But above all, where Enercoop buys directly and exclusively from small producers outside the regulated tariffs, “Planète Oui” does not exclude supplying itself via the production of renewable energy from Edf for example. This is then guaranteed by green certificates (see linked document).

When the development projects of "alternative" energies (wind, solar or biomass) their implementation remains difficult: "We were considering developing a solar farm of 10 000 m2 that was to power 300 homes a year, but it was frozen after the moratorium on professional photovoltaic projects decreed by the government in December 2010," says Nicolas Milko. Today, the supplier prefers to work on the development of demand, relying in particular - which may seem paradoxical - on the promotion of a lower consumption. Thus, customers who each month report their consumption to "Planet Yes" are deducted 10% of their subscription. And 10% more if they reduce it. Enough to attract new customers and develop production, argues the CEO: "if there had been as many consumers of renewable energy than organic consumers, the government would certainly not have made the same decisions. "

For now, if the new operators attract more and more individuals and professionals, 30 June 2011 their market share was still modest: 5,4% for individuals and 18% for professionals, according to the Observatory of Markets electricity and gas. And remember that not everyone can connect to alternative providers yet. The inhabitants of Grenoble, Strasbourg and Metz know something about it: they are part of the 5% of metropolitan France who can not leave the network of the local distribution company chosen by their municipality.

* Ifop poll for Le Journal du Dimanche, June 2011
** Cooperative Society of Collective Interest
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by dedeleco » 09/09/11, 14:05

A "distortion of competition" in favor of EDF

Frightening, disgusting !!
the power of the lobby !!
Good to know !!!
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by Christophe » 09/09/11, 14:06

Yes this info surprised me too ... :? :?
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