France contaminated with Uranium? Exhibits 11/02

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by bham » 15/02/09, 08:00

Grelinette wrote:I'm sorry to bring an extra drop of pessimism into this ocean of worry, but you shouldn't expect things to move… Nor should you expect things to move , there is …. 40 years !


Well done for this Grelinette re-find!

Does someone interested in a post listing the things to change in our society so that it is more respectful of life in general?
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by Grelinette » 15/02/09, 11:14

Hello everybody

Reading these old magazines is not only very interesting because it gives a precise idea of ​​the scientific mindset of the 60s and 70s (thoughts, fears and hopes related to science and technology), but also edifying because it shows that the concerns, debates and promises were already the same several decades ago.

Clearly, unless there is a cataclysm and they are forced to, political, economic and industrial decision-makers have no will to want to change things! Their priority, their only motivation at the moment: the economic (and especially financial) success of their sector, whatever the consequences.

We can also see clearly from the comments left on this forum, and many others, that most of us no longer have confidence in official speeches and figures and we no longer believe in the promises made. Worse still, we now consider that these promises are nothing but voluntary lies and strategies of communication and manipulation ...
Today, when we listen to a speech our reaction is to say to ourselves: "we will see in a few years whether he will keep his promises".

Perhaps a good argument to sensitize our decision-makers would be to find everything that was said and written officially a few decades ago and show that today we are in the same situation: the same causes having the same effects, in a few decades will surely make us the same report of disaster announced!
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by Flytox » 15/02/09, 11:32

Grelinette wrote:... the same causes having the same effects, in a few decades will surely make us the same observation of disaster announced !


By dint of being announced, it will end up being consommé the disaster. : Evil:
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by Remundo » 15/02/09, 11:41

But it has already started ...
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- Proven global warming
- total and near melting of the Arctic sea ice during the summers
- Many nuclear bins around the world
- Unprecedented deforestation of tropical forests
- Extremely low fishery resources
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by Christophe » 15/02/09, 12:11

Compare this map (capture of the documentary, just after Areva's interview at 28:40) of the "so called" uranium mines in France:

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With the info in this document: uranium mining sites in France

We cannot objectively and seriously qualify as a "Mine", a prospecting well which has never produced a gram of uranium ore usable by industry: this is however the case of the 3 Alsatian "points" (for the other regions, I have not checked: you can do it with your region) ....

In other words: the actual French mine map is much less dense than what this map claims!

This alone is an indication that the documentary lacked objectivity and impartiality.

Please don't call me a defender of Areva! I just stand for objectivity!

So yes the situation is not trivial: Cogema and Areva have despised the citizens but may be less than what the doc would like to suggest ... in all cases the contempt was mainly for their own workers!

Those who are over 50 are lucky! We see one at the beginning of the documentary ... It looks like he is 70 years old but he is 50 years old ...

So Avera has already killed French people (just like the Charbonnage de France or many other industrialists) ... but let’s make no mistake about the target and the debate ...
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by gegyx » 15/02/09, 12:47

This card must show all nuclear deposits in France
(All mines, processing plants, stocks, power plants ...)

It shows the location of current nuclear power plants.

http://www.industrie.gouv.fr/energie/nu ... carte2.pdf

For Pessimists-Realists, add cesium deposits due to Chernobyl
http://briconique.free.fr/tchernobyl2.html

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And other testimonies of J'm'enfoutisme, of the French nuclear lobby
http://www.elwatan.com/49-ans-apres-La- ... e-continue

and Mururoa, and Fangataufa…

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by Christophe » 15/02/09, 12:52

gegyx wrote:This card must show all nuclear deposits in France


No, these are the mines, but in the "broad" sense including even prospecting tests ... in any case this is the case for the 3 Alsatian sites ...No, there are no power stations! (Not fessenheim at least)

Well the link to the detailed map of the electro nuclear industrialist in France! Image

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by Christophe » 15/02/09, 13:02

gegyx wrote:***************
And other testimonies of J'm'enfoutisme, of the French nuclear lobby
http://www.elwatan.com/49-ans-apres-La- ... e-continue

and Mururoa, and Fangataufa…


It reminds me of the testimony of a retired army general (naval).

He said clearly and in front of the camera:

You know, the pilots had to be protected more than the other personnel. Their training cost 2 francs, we could not afford to lose them as easily as sodates of the rank, which were much more exposed to radiation.


Are you shocked? Me not: it's trade ... exactly like ceci : Evil:
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by Flytox » 15/02/09, 13:31

Bonjour à tous


4) To return to the Uranium mines, here is the current state of world resources:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining

I thought the% of Africa was higher ...

Here is the European supply for 2007:

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Apologies for going back, but I think it's about resources declared and or marketed not just resources. According to an engineer that I know and who worked in the field, the French reserves are enormous and we prefer to use the reserves of others for various economic reasons and or of facility, it is easier and transparent to close the eyes when a non-union Nigerian worker is killed than a Frenchman aware of the dangers.
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by Former Oceano » 15/02/09, 19:58

Go back too ...

The half-life time is the time for half of a compound to transform.
It may be a chemical molecule. If its half-life is 10 years, this means that half of the molecules will have disappeared (transformed into degradation compounds) after 10 years.

The same is true for atoms. At the end of the half-life, half of the atoms have disintegrated to give other atoms which may also be radioactive.

Thus, after 4,5 billion years, half of the uranium atoms will have disintegrated. The radioactivity of Uranium will not have decreased, but the number of atoms will have decreased, which will result - for a given sample - by a possible fall in radioactivity (remember the existence of atoms from decay and can be them radioactive).

This explains why there is still Uranium left today. Basically, when the Earth was created, there were twice as many as today.
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