Multi-annual energy program 2019-2028

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Re: Multi-annual energy programming 2019-2028




by eclectron » 22/01/20, 21:50

sicetaitsimple wrote:says generation 4 nuclear ayatollah

In search of sensations? : Mrgreen:
It is false, I am not locked on this technology, it is a choice for lack of alternative.


sicetaitsimple wrote: generation 4 nuclear widespread worldwide for all energy uses .......

Do you have another solution to make the world sustainable until the advent of fusion?
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by GuyGadebois » 22/01/20, 21:53

eclectron wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote:says generation 4 nuclear ayatollah

In search of sensations? : Mrgreen:
It is false, I am not locked on this technology, it is a choice for lack of alternative.

An impossible choice since this technology (a bottomless pit to billions) is abandoned in France, fortunately.
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by sicetaitsimple » 22/01/20, 22:00

eclectron wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote: generation 4 nuclear widespread worldwide for all energy uses .......

Do you have another solution to make the world sustainable until the advent of fusion?


No, not really, at least in the short term, but that does not allow me to offer stupid solutions because technically totally unrealistic.
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by sen-no-sen » 22/01/20, 22:37

Generation 4 is not abandoned in France, it is the project ASTRID (successor of Superphénix) which is stopped, and it is rather a good thing.
Much safer projects patiently waiting in the boxes like the MSFR, a liquid fission reactor that will emerge where our political leaders will become aware of the reality of the oil depletion ...
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by GuyGadebois » 22/01/20, 22:40

sen-no-sen wrote:Generation 4 is not abandoned in France, it is the project ASTRID (successor of Superphénix) which is stopped, and it is rather a good thing.
Much safer projects patiently waiting in the boxes like the MSFR, a liquid fission reactor that will emerge where our political leaders will become aware of the reality of the oil depletion ...

May be, but in the meantime, nada.
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by eclectron » 22/01/20, 23:13

sicetaitsimple wrote:No, not really, at least in the short term, but that does not allow me to offer stupid solutions because technically totally unrealistic.

: Lol: : Lol: : Lol: , poor boy...
In life there are two people coming out, those who extrapolate.
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by Christophe » 22/01/20, 23:55

For those who drool over this PPE and take it for the bible ... I strongly advise them to go see the projections of 10, 15 or 20 years ago for 2015-2020 ... and compare them to the real situation ...

It should be findable ...

I found one from the IEA for Belgium in 2005 ... in paper version by searching my archives ...
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by eclectron » 23/01/20, 08:31

sen-no-sen wrote:Much safer projects patiently waiting in the boxes like the MSFR, a liquid fission reactor that will emerge where our political leaders will become aware of the reality of the oil depletion ...

Absolutely, it is also qualified as generation IV and this qualifier is fully deserved for the fast neutron versions.

To use a rhetoric dear to ABC2019 "but why don't we do smart things, if it's so good"?
Because we always start by being con: hard decision-making, ignorance, habits, fear of the unknown, financial interests, interests hidden or not, in short the world as it is, in our image: progress.
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by ENERC » 23/01/20, 08:32

Economic realities will shape the carbon trajectory, and it is not PPE that will do everything.

You would think that the world production of solar panels continues to stagnate around 100 GW annual, but in reality all the actors of the sector invest massively in new factories: manufacture of silicon ingots, cutting, cell production.
The target at 5-10 years is 1 TW of PV per year and a price divided by 2.
Tenders are already anticipating this price development (300W panel at € 50)

What will quickly happen is that the self-consumption PV + heat pump pair will be cheaper than heating with gas. We are going to move towards a hybrid solution where gas will continue to be used for backup or as a complement. This will be profitable fairly quickly in the tertiary sector.

On PEP: I don't understand why we insist so much on heating networks. To burn the plastic packaging of our garbage cans?
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by Eric DUPONT » 23/01/20, 09:01

bah yes, for photovoltaics it would not be surprising to reach the 0,5 euros per watt installed against 0,7 or 0,8 currently, and with depreciation over 30 years, the state has little money to add to the invitation to tender. And as the nuclear power plants are going to shut down one by one, mechanically, the price of energy will increase slightly, so that when it reaches a certain level there will no longer be any need for subsidies for photovoltaics.

The problem will come in 2032 when nuclear power is 50% and it will no longer be possible to inject photovoltaics. I think that the installers of photovoltaic panels help to start up innovative solutions for seasonal storage, unless EDF takes all of the tenders for blocked. : Lol:
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