Dryer with heat pump, good idea?

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by swift2540 » 29/06/11, 21:27

Gaston wrote:Yes, that means that we know how to make them reliable, especially since in this case, as for the fridges, it is a "monobloc" system.

It means that we can trust it and therefore take it into account, good news.
Gaston wrote: So 0,5 euros savings per drying.
If the additional cost is 250 euros, 500 dryings are needed to make it profitable.
How many years of use does it represent?

Here it becomes very complicated as a calculation, since it is VERY variable Image. It ranges from 5 / week to 5 / month, depending on the weather (weather) and the weather (available).
So basically I would say but without being sure 10 / month, or 120 / year so about 4 years to make a profit, at constant electricity prices of course ...
From another point of view, I discussed a few months ago with an LL machine technician / repairer (but since I was not broken down I did not discuss this). He told me that a washing machine, dryer, lv ... was made for 7 years, "normal" use in a "normal" family, ie 5 / week. Or 5 * 52 * 7 = 2548 uses.
If that's true, that makes a famous bundle of kWh saved in the end!
On the other hand, I would be astonished that he would last 21 years with me (2548/120) : Cry:
Yet another point of view, if everyone had this sl system, we could close a power plant, or at least 1 reactor : Shock: ? To calculate ...
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by Gaston » 30/06/11, 09:21

swift2540 wrote:
Gaston wrote:Yes, that means that we know how to make them reliable, especially since in this case, as for the fridges, it is a "monobloc" system.

It means that we can trust it and therefore take it into account, good news.
The fact that we know how to make them reliable does not necessarily mean that everyone is reliable :?

swift2540 wrote:Yet another point of view, if everyone had this sl system, we could close a power plant, or at least 1 reactor : Shock: ? To calculate ...
Two questions that should be answered to start the calculation:
1) How many dryers are there? (I do not have any).
2) What additional gray energy to manufacture the heat pump?
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by swift2540 » 30/06/11, 19:06

Gaston wrote:The fact that we know how to make them reliable does not necessarily mean that everyone is reliable :?

obviously
Gaston wrote:Two questions that should be answered to start the calculation:
1) How many dryers are there? (I do not have any).
2) What additional gray energy to manufacture the heat pump?

1) from memory, according to a study heard on the radio, 2 million sl in Belgium.
2) no idea
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by Christophe » 30/06/11, 19:49

Gaston wrote:2) What additional gray energy to manufacture the heat pump?


try the generic gray energy estimation method Looping which I like and which is not enough known !!

The ex-factory price of a chiller is most likely in the range of 20 to 40 € excluding tax since the first compressor dehumidifiers are sold new including VAT around 1 € including tax ...

Let's say 30 € and that 20% of the price represents gray energy (up to the customer) or 30 * 0.2 = 6 € of energy ... to be converted into kWh ... let's say, according to the price of KWh, between 80 and 120 kWh ...

See this subject which Gaston, should interest you: https://www.econologie.com/forums/methode-de ... t4897.html
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by Christophe » 30/06/11, 19:53

swift2540 wrote:2 million sl in Belgium.


Ah yes as much as that?

About 5 millions of people, so 1 Belgian on 2 is equipped in SL? : Shock:
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by swift2540 » 30/06/11, 23:50

Christophe wrote:Ah yes as much as that?
About 5 millions of people, so 1 Belgian on 2 is equipped in SL? : Shock:

Yes, in fact 55% of the population is equipped with a sl with an average operating rate of 2X / week
2009 crioc study
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:rub15xGvWcAJ:www.crioc.be/files/fr/4138fr.pdf+equipement+electrom%C3%A9nager+des+menages&hl=fr&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgdeDwislLnx9UZ4EfzcDpKwvUqytgRIneZgnTlq799PLxq_BRTvqil4fh_I-aSKVxzKE6h7WuQZTz3s4hYLHHgVzy4dm5nb3uabYrQdTBciAO-GAwyCEvqXFMIK7M4tu4nHeOq&sig=AHIEtbSUUZm0etyo3dzSxKNEkmRoORCFlw
(it is available on the crioc website but I had to open it with goggle)
We learn that the household has:
99% fridge
97% tv
90% LL
81% microwave
73% frozen
66% computer
64% electric stove
55% SL
42% LV ...
In other words, as long as there is beer in the fridge and football at the tv, the rest ... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 30/06/11, 23:55

Ah great, thank you for these figures.

I never thought the LV was coming so low! : Shock:
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by swift2540 » 30/06/11, 23:58

Christophe wrote:
Gaston wrote:2) What additional gray energy to manufacture the heat pump?


Let's say 30 € and that 20% of the price represents gray energy (up to the customer) or 30 * 0.2 = 6 € of energy ... to be converted into kWh ... let's say, according to the price of KWh, between 80 and 120 kWh ...l

So 120kwh / 2.5 (gain per SL) = 48SL or 6 months of use per average household (2X / week)?
Fast, right?
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by Christophe » 01/07/11, 00:03

Let's wait to see what Gaston thinks of this method (ladle all the same but gives an idea ...)
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by swift2540 » 01/07/11, 00:23

Yes, let's wait for Gaston.

A quick calculation:
either gain by SL: 2.5kwh
gain per year: 2.5 * 2 * 52 = 260kwh / year
number of Belgian households with SL: 4.575.959 / 2 = 2.289.980 households
source
http://economie.fgov.be/fr/modules/publications/statistiques/population/menages_prives_taille_menage_nombre_menages_collect.jsp
or a saving of:
2.289.980 * 260 = 595.207.600kwh / year or 595.207.6Gwh / year
If everyone goes to the SL with heat pump!
what is it in nuke :?:
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