Remundo wrote:no but I agree, it is the electronics around the cables that are sensitive
you can also forget your credit card ... there is nothing more electronic and telecommunications than these means of payment ...
Yes, that's why I wrote it.
Remundo wrote:no but I agree, it is the electronics around the cables that are sensitive
you can also forget your credit card ... there is nothing more electronic and telecommunications than these means of payment ...
Remundo wrote:I'm not too convinced for several reasons
* directive emission of high energy particles: the solid angle embracing the earth from the sun is very small, in summary, to speak in simple language, 99.999% of the solar directions do not impact the Earth
* submarine internet cables are optical fibers that are not sensitive to magnetic fields
* the Earth has its own magnetic field which channels charged particles of high energies
Exnihiloest wrote:We know that there would be no impact on the fiber, I had the same thoughts as you, the repeaters, which are supplied from the terminals, so we have copper wire from one end to the other , conductor who can also act as an antenna.
I also know that VLFs are used by submarines for their communications, so that waves of some KHz can pass through seawater.
From there to think that there would be a significant level coming from a solar storm, certainly not. The link budgets with submarines are catastrophic, which is why transmitters must often exceed the MW, and to improve the signal-to-noise ratio, the bandwidths be very reduced and digital transmissions be at very low speed as the signals are weak (no question of passing the speech, for that there are only sound waves, but over very short distances).
As regards conduction, water is conductive, of course, but without a difference in potentials, it is also impossible to generate destructive currents. The sea is like the land, the reference potential, changing it does not change the phenomena for which it is the reference (gauge invariance).
Let's move on to the context analysis. Contrary to what you said, There are no "experts" but only one person, who is not an expert.
I inquired about the author. It's a young assistant professor whose skills are not in physics, not in electromagnetism, but in computer science!
ABC2019 wrote:I am not able to judge if the orders of magnitude are correct but there are plenty of references in the article which seem serious and well documented. The basic problem is based on what acceptable risk do we dimension our systems and agree to pay the price for protection? For example, how high is a tsunami expected for a nuclear power plant? we make "reasonable" estimates, but sometimes we get confused ...
ABC2019 wrote:...
but we are not talking about a small localized transmitter that tries to cross sea water, but of a gigantic generator on the scale of the planet
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it is undoubtedly that the "physical" part is precisely already known and not contested, and that its contribution is to evaluate what that would do to the network according to its connectivity and the links which would be affected ... it is not the physics which is discussed, it is the side "organization of the network".
Exnihiloest wrote:Your guesswork is yours alone. Solar winds, there have already been violent ones which damaged satellites or brought down electrical networks as in Quebec in 1989. They have never put underwater telecommunications networks in difficulty. However at the time they were much more sensitive than today because not all with optical fibers, but with links in pairs of copper, with considerably more repeaters than for optical fibers. .
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