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by izentrop » 03/02/16, 10:02

Forhorse wrote:
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The few fires? "The meter itself is not in question, hammers ERDF, it is an error of installation, a fault of clamping which causes a short-circuit [...]


The guy before taking up communications at ERDF he had better learn the job.
That a journalist comes out such a nonsense why not, but a guy from ERDF no!
This kind of pose could cause problems of contact or short circuit if it is badly skewered? https://youtu.be/XM49wzirrd8?t=106 . Otherwise, with 16 mm² multi-strand and the proximity of the terminals, it is not excluded that a brown comes to make inadvertent short circuit https://youtu.be/eD7grIkp7cE?t=66 , but it must be on arrival for the circuit breaker does not react and cause a fire by an unfortunate circumstance, kind of wooden base very flammable ...

It's scary : Shock: https://youtu.be/qLbhKbLEbHE?t=223
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by Christophe » 10/02/16, 18:34

UFC Small FAQ / 60 Millions of Consumers: http://www.60millions-mag.com/2016/01/2 ... iete-10074

The health part:

Does Linky pose a health risk?

The meters communicate once a day with a concentrator installed in the substations. The concentrator then sends the information to ERDF via the relay antennas of existing mobile networks. The link between the meter and the concentrator is done by online power line (PLC). It consists in using the existing cables and superimposing on the electric current a higher frequency signal.

The use of this technology is criticized by the association Robin des Toits, which believes that it induces electromagnetic pollution throughout the housing. ERDF denies that Linky meets all standards and that the signal is very weak, ten thousand times less than that of a mobile phone. In addition, it would only last a few seconds, all communications being grouped between midnight and six o'clock in the morning.

The meter certainly has no interest in "communicating" permanently, but it would probably be desirable for a body to regularly check that the initial rule of the game is well respected and unmodified. The government mandated the National Agency for Food Safety, Environment and Labor (ANSES) for expertise on the subject.


So here ... I think we had seen right ...
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by izentrop » 11/02/16, 08:36

Hello,
We can see that the fear of the waves does not occur, however, spend 5 billion to replace meters that work, it is still a smokestack to hide a juicy commercial operation.

Know the consumption of the individual to better manage theelectricity supply-demand adjustment. This argument does not hold, because it was enough to have the consumption information at the hubs.
Saving the 2 meters once a year eliminates jobs and goes against the promises of the government.

Only for these 2 against arguments, all the communes should refuse it : Shock:
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by simplino » 11/02/16, 20:07

Macro wrote:The lamp is good ...

Tonight when the wind had opened the hatch of the meter ... The guy who installed it is not even bothering to lock it ... And is strange ... I've seen a few others on the way to my taff that were open ....

The linky ... Ca unlocks the counters : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:


Exactly, the Subcontracted staff underpaid responsible for taking up or installing the meters of EDF, gas and water, and even for the phone, is so pressurized and monitored to the nearest it never close the meter, leave the door or hatch wide openor break it like my broken neighbor that I repair every time with a piece of wood so it is disheveled!

So we can be sure of badly done installations, loose pods, and a outbreak of fires, even with gas meters and water leaks with water meters as I saw for the water meter from one of my neighbors, left with the stop valve wide open and the drain cock left open and a nice escape in his absence very expensive and a great fight to get a refund, so he was gone all well closed!

Since suppliers make fun of their subcontractors and employees, The work is systematically sloppy at the expense of the customers !!

Same for the dump truck sideboards with insufficient security not blocking the truck so badly closed and pressurized staff, which made 6 dead in a bus !!,
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by Ahmed » 11/02/16, 20:55

In addition, the regulatory cabinets (gas and electricity) are equipped with doors mounted on a double joint made thanks to a plastic pawl particularly fragile and difficult to repair ...
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by izentrop » 16/02/16, 00:16

Info there I think, although the reason relative to the health does not seem to me the good one, the right would be in favor of the communes: http://refus.linky.gazpar.free.fr/commu ... -linky.htm
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by Ahmed » 20/02/16, 15:07

A small book of Susan Perry, as an approximation: "The pixel illusion", subtitle, "Why digital will not change the world", in a not much more explicit way, tackles the question of NICT through the Linky counter, chosen as an example. It is an interesting approach, very complete and which poses many problems, in particular the democratic deficit and the excesses of the initial model.

I am more reserved, to put it mildly, on the very institutional and "citizen" point of view, vis-à-vis technology, as if all that was needed was increased social control and regulation. more restrictive so that all benefit from the advantages of new technologies, without suffering the disadvantages. Certainly, this is a very optimistic, if not downright naive, bias, because it is futile to hope that things can really change without profound changes in society and institutions, especially with regard to the goals. continued ...
Indeed, if the modalities of application can have a marginal influence on technology, most of its potential for nuisance, the basis of our "civilization", will necessarily be preserved.
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by moinsdewatt » 12/03/16, 21:02

Between info and intox: the deployment of the Linky meter in questions

Wednesday 9 March 2016 / Written by: Jacques Mirat lenergeek

The deployment of the communicating electricity meter of ERDF began the 1er December 2015. To date, more than 400.000 units have been installed in French homes, while 3 million should be operational by the end of the year 2016, for a park that will reach 35 million units by the 2021 horizon. Although this ambitious project is on the brink of progress, it nevertheless provokes a lively debate, particularly on the Web, where it is sometimes difficult to disentangle the true from the false. This does not prevent ERDF from staying the course. Decryption.

Linky is a smart and connected electricity meter that aims to optimize the management of electricity consumption of French citizens: thanks to a dedicated Internet portal, the user can constantly view the state of its electricity consumption and act in consequence in order to optimize it. Linky will also reduce management costs by enabling many operations to be carried out remotely (real consumption, power change, line opening, etc.). A CNRS study has recently shown that the use of Linky could lead to a decrease in the amount of the electricity bill by nearly 23%.

«The Linky project will generate 10.000 jobs on 5 years»

This new generation of communicating meter will therefore "educate consumers about their use of energy, thanks to the data that can be communicated to them over a week, or even a day. The analysis of the data, possibly with the help of suppliers, will enable them to understand what are the potential sources of savings, "says Françoise Thiebault, General Secretary of the Family Associations Laïques (AFL) of Paris.

As a first step in building the future smart grids planned for the energy transition, the deployment of Linky is a project that will require an investment of 5 billion euros from ERDF. A cost that is not without cause concern of consumers. But ERDF has always been reassuring: during installation, neither the meter nor its installation is billed to the customer. The lifetime of the Linky meter is estimated at 20 years, a period during which the network manager can largely amortize the cost of installation of his meter, thanks in particular to the savings realized by the reduction of the expenses related to the expensive displacements of his technicians.

Better, the generalization of Linky meter should even be a source of economic growth. "The Linky project will generate 10.000 jobs over 5 for the production of equipment, the installation of meters by ERDF and its service providers, the support of users and the control of facilities," explains Éric Laurent, territorial director of ERDF.

"Linky is perfectly in tune with his environment"

Apart from the subject of cost, Linky's detractors fear that electromagnetic wave emissions are dangerous for the health of users. The most fervent critics even say that these waves are carcinogenic. The argument, though repeatedly relayed in the media, is completely misleading: when communicating customer consumption data - less than a minute a day - the Linky meter does not emit radio frequencies because it uses powerline online (CPL). This is a technology that sends a signal in the cables of the power grid. This is a zero level of danger compared to the waves emitted by our phones and other wireless devices.

"This is a subject that must be kept in mind, there have been several studies that show Linky is perfectly in tune with its environment," said Gladys Larose, external relations manager for the Linky project at ERDF. "A meter that uses low-bandwidth powerline is something insignificant compared to devices that are not even paying attention in real life."

Another important fact: 99,9% of the time, the Linky meter does not communicate.
Also, favorable to the establishment of a rational dialogue with the municipalities opposed to the project, ERDF has already alleviated the fears of some municipal councils, like that of Monchy-Cayeux, in the department of the North, which finally accepted the installation of the fluorescent green meter. To permanently silence the rumor, the National Agency of Sanitary Security was seized to confirm or not the risks and a report should be published by the end of the year.

The installation of Linky throughout France comes directly from the implementation of a European directive dated 13 July 2009 and the law on energy transition for green growth. A real boon for the ecological shift currently being negotiated by the French government, ERDF's smart and connected system will also help promote the integration of intermittent renewable energies into our French electricity mix. And thus facilitate the achievement of the rate of 40% green electricity by 2030.


http://lenergeek.com/2016/03/09/entre-i ... questions/
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by moinsdewatt » 15/04/16, 20:13

ERDF sues a municipality that opposes its counter Linky

AFP 15 / 04 / 2016

The manager of the French electricity distribution network ERDF announced Friday to have filed an appeal before the administrative court of Melun to contest a deliberation of the town of Varennes-sur-Seine (Seine-et-Marne) prohibiting the deployment of the meter communicating Linky.


"It's very exceptional that we are doing that. There is a real breakdown in dialogue with the mayor who publicly attacks the company and repeatedly on this deployment" currently underway in this locality, told AFP an ERDF spokesperson.

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To date, more than 620.000 counters have been set, and deployment continues at the pace expected despite oppositions, the company said.

This "smart" meter makes it possible to avoid the need for a technician to go to read the meters: consumption is measured in real time and transmitted once a day to the electricity supplier, allowing more precise billing than that based on estimates .
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by sen-no-sen » 15/04/16, 20:43

The case Linky is interesting because it demonstrates by this example (among so many others!) the principle of monopolisation et standardization of the society.
However, that we make no mistake, such a device is part of the strictest logic of technological evolution.
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