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Re: Linky: hoaxes and fakes circulating on the Internet!




by phil59 » 02/03/20, 19:57

I'm afraid you're fucked up, you already so fragile! : Lol:
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by GuyGadebois » 02/03/20, 20:04

phil59 wrote:I'm afraid you're fucked up, you already so fragile! : Lol:

It is 50m from the house.
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by sicetaitsimple » 02/03/20, 20:37

GuyGadebois wrote:It is 50m from the house.


It's the worst! Given the length of the waves emitted, in 6 months to a year your account is made.
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by GuyGadebois » 02/03/20, 21:07

sicetaitsimple wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:It is 50m from the house.


It's the worst! Given the length of the waves emitted, in 6 months to a year your account is made.

Sorry, 150m.
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by phil59 » 03/03/20, 12:39

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, is he on roulette?
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by Christophe » 01/05/21, 11:52

Articles of Law to be verified ...

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by Forhorse » 01/05/21, 13:41

Article L341-4 of the energy code
Article L341-4

Modified by LAW n ° 2017-227 of February 24, 2017 - art. 18
Modified by LAW n ° 2015-992 of August 17, 2015 - art. 201 (V)

The operators of the public electricity transmission and distribution networks implement systems allowing suppliers to offer their customers different prices depending on the time of year or day and encouraging network users to limit their consumption. during the periods when the consumption of all consumers is the highest.

As part of the deployment of the devices provided for in the first paragraph of this article and in application of the mission set in 7 ° of Article L. 322-8, the managers of the public electricity distribution networks make available to consumers their metering data, alert systems linked to the level of their consumption, as well as elements of comparison derived from statistical averages based on local and national consumption data. A decree specifies the content of the data concerned as well as the modalities of their availability.

Within the framework of Article L. 124-5, they guarantee suppliers the possibility of accessing consumption metering data, downstream of the meter and in real time, subject to the consumer's agreement.

The provision of the services mentioned in the second and third paragraphs of this article does not give rise to invoicing.

The managers of the public electricity distribution networks make them available to the owner or manager of the building, as soon as he requests it and justifies the implementation of actions to control the building. energy consumption incurred on behalf of the building's consumers, consumption metering data in anonymized and aggregated form at the building level. Costs resulting from the aggregation of metering data cannot be billed to the consumer and may be billed to the owner or manager of the building on a not-for-profit basis. A decree specifies the methods of application of this paragraph, in particular the nature of the justifications to be provided by the owner or the manager of the building and the methods of their control, as well as the characteristics of the consumption data communicated.

The structure and level of tariffs for the use of electricity transmission and distribution networks are set in order to encourage customers to limit their consumption to periods when the consumption of all consumers is highest. on a national level. They can also encourage customers to limit their consumption during peak periods at the local level. To this end, the structure and level of the tariffs for the use of the transmission and distribution networks may, subject to ensuring the coverage of all costs provided for in Article L. 341-2 and in a proportionate manner. to the objective of controlling electrical peaks, for a consumer to deviate from the strict coverage of network costs that it generates.

The specifications of the concessions and the service regulations of the electricity distribution boards must comply with the provisions of this article.

Under the terms of III of article 201 of law n ° 2015-992 of August 17, 2015, these provisions come into force from the date fixed by the decree mentioned in article L. 124-1 of the code of energy, and no later than December 31, 2018.

Under the terms of article 3 I of decree n ° 2016-555 of 6 May 2016, the provisions of III of article 201 of the energy transition law take effect on 1 January 2018.


I assume that the subscriber in question interprets the underlined passage as authorizing him to refuse the installation of the count. Personally it's not how I read it, and this passage especially mentions the possibility of remote reading that allows the linky (which you can or not accept)

Article L124-5 of the same code
Article L124-5

Modified by LAW n ° 2019-1147 of November 8, 2019 - art. 13

For domestic consumers benefiting from the assistance provided for in this chapter, the provision of metering data in application of Articles L. 341-4 and L. 453-7 is accompanied by an offer, by the suppliers of electricity and natural gas, transmission of consumption data, expressed in euros. For electricity consumers, this device provides access to real-time consumption data.

The provision of these services and these devices does not give rise to invoicing.

A decree specifies the terms of application of this article, which must take into account the deployment of the systems provided for in the first paragraph of articles L. 341-4 and L. 453-7.


I see nothing that says you have the right to oppose the replacement of the meter.

Article 226-4 of the penal code
Section 226-4

Modified by LAW n ° 2015-714 of June 24, 2015 - art. unique

Entry into the home of others using maneuvers, threats, assault or coercion, except in cases where the law allows it, is punishable by one year's imprisonment and a fine of 15 euros. .

Staying in the home of others following the introduction mentioned in the first paragraph, except in cases where the law allows it, is punishable by the same penalties.


So far yes, but if the metering box is on the property line there is no entry into the home of others. If the meter is in the apartment, you can of course object to the technician coming home ... but he can also cut you off without going home!

Article 432-8 of the penal code
Section 432-8

Modified by Ordinance n ° 2000-916 of September 19, 2000 - art. 3 (V) JORF September 22, 2000 in force January 1, 2002

The fact, by a person holding public authority or entrusted with a public service mission, acting in the exercise or on the occasion of the exercise of his functions or his mission, of breaking into or attempting to enter another person's home against their will, except in the cases provided for by law, is punished by two years' imprisonment and a fine of 30 euros.


Same thing as above, and it is still necessary to know what is included in "except the cases provided for by law" can be that an intervention on the meter (which remains the property of the network manager and not of the 'subscriber) is "a case provided for by law"?

Article 544 of the Civil Code
Article 544

Creation Law 1804-01-27 promulgated on February 6, 1804

Property is the right to enjoy and dispose of things in the most absolute manner, provided that they are not used for prohibited by laws or regulations.


Since the meter is the property of the network manager and not that of the subscriber, I would say that this article goes rather against what this subscriber seeks to defend: it seeks to prevent the network manager from enjoying dispose of his property ...
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by izentrop » 01/05/21, 13:50

Arghhh! these boredom sores, ready to spend a fortune to have the impression of being right.

When he has to pay someone to come and do his reading, I think he will understand quite naturally : Twisted:
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 01/05/21, 14:10

izentrop wrote:Arghhh! these boredom sores, ready to spend a fortune to have the impression of being right.

When he has to pay someone to come and do his reading, I think he will understand quite naturally : Twisted:

Of course, when you see the photo with the padlocks, there is no doubt that it is a sore ... still nearby. Poor Izy with his Turkish heads ... :( I wonder why he didn't take the opportunity to hit Raoult, hey. Lack of imagination, no doubt.
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by Forhorse » 01/05/21, 14:26

Above all, I think that currently Enedis does not care a lot about these impediments to going around in circles. The deployment of linky is far from over.
In my (small) town, according to the deployment map, it is "finished", apart from none of my two neighbors are equipped ...

So I think they made the main residences in town first, then in the countryside. It is certainly not completely completed and they have of course dropped among the "refractories"
I think they attacked second homes (up to 20% of housing in some municipalities ...) and that like, they will first focus on customers who do not offer opposition.

When this is over, they will really attack the refractories, and must not dream, Enedis certainly has a much more competent legal service and lawyers than the private conspirator who makes a very free interpretation of the law ...
And in the end, frankly, I think they will have no difficulty in telling them "it's linky or it's blackout" and that it will be legal ...

If we take the T & Cs of the blue tariff:
• Termination of the contract by EDF
EDF may terminate the contract in the event of non-compliance by the customer with one of its obligations provided for in the contract, after formal notice to fulfill its obligations addressed to the customer and which remains ineffective within thirty days. In the particular case of non-payment by the customer of invoices, EDF may terminate the contract in accordance with the provisions of article 7-4. The contract is automatically terminated in the event of re-siliation of the contract concluded between EDF and Enedis relating to access and use of the RPD.


EDF may ask Enedis to interrupt the supply or reduce the customer's power in the event of a contractual breach or in the event of non-payment of invoices, in accordance with articles 7-3, 7 -4 and 7-5.


As such, my neighbor (second home) was threatened with a power cut because they had not been able to read the meter for over a year (old mechanical meter)

on the Enedis side, in their "MODEL CONTRACT relating to access to the Public Distribution Network, its use and the exchange of data for Connection Points under Single Contract"
we can read :
3.1.2.2.Access to Metering Devices Appendices 1, 2 and 3 “General provisions relating to access and use of the PDN” of this contract specify the terms and conditions of access to Metering Devices.


Annex 1: concerns customers connected to HTA (therefore outside the scope that concerns us)

Appendix 2: concerns customers connected to LV for a subscribed power> 36kVA (therefore does not really concern many individuals)
In annex 2
2.3.2 Right of access and control To verify compliance with the quality commitments made by the Customer in accordance with article 5.2 of these general provisions, the DSO is authorized to access the Customer's electrical installations at any time , subject to compliance with the access and security rules in force on the Site, this verification being carried out in the sole interest of the security and safety of the RPD. The GRD informs the Customer, with a copy to the Supplier, by any means within a reasonable period of time of the date and time of its intervention, unless the seriousness of the situation requires an immediate operation. The GRD then informs the Customer, with a copy to the Supplier, as soon as possible by any means


Appendix 3: concerns customers connected in LV for a subscribed power <36kVA (therefore concerns the majority of individuals)

3.1.4.Access to the Metering Device The DSO can access at any time the metering location referred to in Article 3.1.1.2, in order to perform its control mission or in the event of failure of the Metering Device. The DSO must be able to access the Metering Device at least once a year in order to read the Meter. In normal operation of a Communicating Meter, reading is done remotely. If a Meter could not be read by the GRD during the last twelve months because of the Customer, the Customer must then make an appointment, via the Supplier, for a special reading which is billed via the Supplier and / or Buyer according to the GRD's Catalog of Services. In cases where access to the Meter requires the presence of the Customer or that of a third party, the latter is informed in advance of the passage of the GRD. The DSO informs the Users of the RPD of the passage of the meter by the means (s) that it deems the most suitable (s). For your information, the main means used today are a letter or an email announcing the passage of the reliever or notices of passage at the bottom of buildings. The Customer must then take all necessary measures so that the DSO can access the equipment of the Metering Device in complete safety and without difficulty.When he does not have a Communicating Meter, the Customer can communicate his indexes to the DSO, either directly or via the Supplier: this is the self-reading. The metering data thus sent by the Customer is subject to a consistency check by the GRD, in particular on the basis of the Customer's consumption history on this PDL. The DSO takes these self-read indexes into account for billing when they are transmitted in the billing ranges programmed by it. For information, Customers can now send their index to the DSO via the website of the DSO. GRD http://www.enedis.fr/faire-le-releve-en-ligne or by returning the T card left by the technician.

This proposed self-reading does not exempt the Customer from the obligation to allow the DSO access to the Meter. The GRD can contact the Supplier and / or Buyer or the Customer to validate the index transmitted, or even schedule - after notifying the Supplier - an appointment in agreement with the Customer for a special paid statement. refusal of access, the provisions of article 10.3 apply.


Article 10.3 of the contract:
10.3.Notification Any notification or other communication to be given or made under this contract, by a Party to the other Party, must be made in accordance with the terms of this article, unless it is expressly provided to proceed via the Platform. -form of exchanges Any notification must be made in writing to the address or point of contact that the other Party has taken care to indicate to the Party having to notify or, if no address has been indicated, to registered office or at the main establishment of the other Party. Notification may be made:  by hand delivery against receipt; or by registered letter with acknowledgment of receipt; or by post
or by fax with a request for a valid transmission confirmation report; or by email with acknowledgment of receipt sent to the privileged contact person for relations with the DSO, who is designated for each of the Parties in appendix 9 “ADDRESSES”. The date of notification is deemed to be: if it is delivered by hand, the Business Day of delivery or the Business Day following the date of delivery if this date does not correspond to a Business Day; if it is sent by registered letter with acknowledgment of receipt, on the Business Day of receipt or on the Business Day following the date of receipt if this date does not correspond to a Business Day; if it is sent by post, on the second Business Day after the date of mailing, or if it is sent from abroad, on the fifth Business Day after the date of dispatch; if it is transmitted by fax and a valid transmission confirmation report is established, on the day of transmission if it is transmitted before 18:00 p.m. on a Business Day, or, otherwise, on the Business Day following transmission; If it is sent by email with valid acknowledgment of receipt established, on the day of sending if it is sent before 18:00 p.m. on a Business Day, or, otherwise, on the Business Day following dispatch.


Article 10.3 of Annex 3:

10.3 Suspension of access to the Public Distribution Network at the initiative of the GRD The GRD may suspend or refuse access to the RPD and perform the associated services in the following cases:
no Single Contract and / or Single Contract in Injection;
if applicable, suspension of the authorization to operate the Production Installation provided for in Article L311-1 of the Energy Code;
if applicable, in the event of non-proof of the compliance of the Production Facilities with the regulations and standards in force;
if applicable, in the event of failure to produce the insurance certificate provided for in article 9.3 of this appendix;
refusal by the Customer to allow the DSO access, for verification, to its electrical installations and in particular to the metering room;
if, at the end of the procedure set out in article 3.1.4, the Customer persists in refusing the DSO access to the Meter reading;
refusal by the Customer, when elements of his electrical installations, including the Metering Device, are defective, to carry out their repairs or renewals;
if the CoRDiS pronounces against the Customer, for the Site, the sanction of temporary prohibition of access to the Network in application of article L134-27 of the Energy Code;
unauthorized connection by a third party to the Customer's indoor installation;
 in accordance with the specifications for public electricity distribution, in the following cases: • injunction issued by the Competent Authority for town planning or the police in the event of a disturbance of public order, • non-justification of the compliance of the installations with the regulations and standards in force, • serious and immediate danger brought to the attention of the DSO, • modification, damage or deliberate destruction of the structures and metering operated by the DSO, whatever the cause, • disturbance caused by a customer or by his installations and equipment, affecting the operation or distribution of energy, • illicit or fraudulent use of energy, duly noted by the DSO. The DSO must once again allow access to the DPO without delay as soon as the reasons which led to the suspension have ended. Suspension by the DSO for security reasons may take place without delay. In other cases, the terms and conditions of the suspension are those of the articles on the basis of which the said suspension is carried out; in the absence of such provisions, the suspension takes effect ten calendar days after the DSO sends the Customer a registered letter with acknowledgment of receipt constituting formal notice, with a copy to the Supplier.
The suspension of access to the RPD under the Customer's Single Contract entails the suspension of access to the RPD for any injection contract taken out for the same Delivery Point.
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