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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Leo Maximus » 07/12/22, 11:26

I don't have the washing machine service manual and it's not always easy to find on the net. It is possible that there is a switching power supply. But I'm not going to start opening the washing machine to check! :D

The manual for this voltmeter is about sixty pages long. From memory I know it is RMS but probably not True RMS. I'll take a look at it.

For the oscillator, we'll have to wait a bit because it's in the workshop and the heating is off so there's a risk with condensation if I don't wait a bit.

A current of 58 mA will light the filament of a small tungsten bulb. I just need to find the right bulb. The light intensity produced by a current of 58 mA can be measured with precision. From there we can confirm or not the consumption of 12 watts in standby mode.
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Leo Maximus » 07/12/22, 13:08

I rectify. Knowing that the washing machine has a panel with a digital display of various information, there is bound to be a switching power supply. This power supply including the on/off I/O circuit by push button. It's banal, it's today's household appliances, : Cheesy:

The consumption of 12 watts does not seem excessive to me. The emission of heat is distributed over several components of the input circuit which must also heat the electrochemical filters... :D But hey, what is the lifespan of a washing machine?
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Christophe » 07/12/22, 16:39

No Leo, it's not excessive at all... except for the zetetic lobbyists who want to increase your bill for nothing! : Mrgreen: : roll: : Evil:

I have, I believe (not re-read everything) found the subject where I had estimated the equivalence of watches in France: electricity-electronics-computers/action-against-electrical-watches-and-hidden-consumption-t5844.html

See also:

https://www.econologie.com/consommation ... es-caches/

climate-change-co2/hidden-electricity-consumption-and-costs-t3840.html

sustainable-consumption/consumption-of-a-cathode-tv-start-standby-off-t5842.html
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by sicetaitsimple » 07/12/22, 18:10

Question to the electronics specialists, which I am absolutely not: daily switching on/off a bit bestial of electronic devices (on/off on a multiple socket), won't that reduce their lifespan?

Edit: about fifteen years ago at work, the instruction for fixed PCs was to turn off the screen in the evening but to leave the PC on. The official explanation was this, risk of premature breakdown linked to daily on/off.
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Exnihiloest » 07/12/22, 19:40

sicetaitsimple wrote:Question to the electronics specialists, which I am absolutely not: daily switching on/off a bit bestial of electronic devices (on/off on a multiple socket), won't that reduce their lifespan?

Edit: about fifteen years ago at work, the instruction for fixed PCs was to turn off the screen in the evening but to leave the PC on. The official explanation was this, risk of premature breakdown linked to daily on/off.


Bizarre your instructions not to turn off the PCs at work. I know of a large high-tech company where this has never been requested (and today, energy savings require, the opposite is required).

It is not likely to reduce their lifespan, but the cut-off device must be a "real" one, that is to say cut or restore the current frankly, in short a switch worthy of the name, like that of the PC . Unplugging the plug of a device is for example a bad idea, the microcuts at the time of disconnection can induce overvoltages in the inductors or transformers, and there, damage components.

The only risk of no power is on certain components such as chemical capacitors, but it takes years of no power before they degrade. In the general case, turn off the electronics when you no longer need them.
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Petrus » 08/12/22, 09:06

Leo Maximus wrote:I rectify. Knowing that the washing machine has a panel with a digital display of various information, there is bound to be a switching power supply. This power supply including the on/off I/O circuit by push button. It's banal, it's today's household appliances, : Cheesy:

Not necessarily, there may be a capacitor supply. Basically, a capacitor is used in series to lower the voltage, this type of power supply will therefore create a phase shift in the current, the power measurement by making UxI with an ammeter will therefore be distorted.
Some wattmeter sockets allow standby measurement <1W taking into account the power factor, I would do a test of those I have.

sicetaitsimple wrote:Question to the electronics specialists, which I am absolutely not: daily switching on/off a bit bestial of electronic devices (on/off on a multiple socket), won't that reduce their lifespan?

I don't see why it would decrease the lifespan. On the contrary, it will reduce the operating time and therefore spare the wear components (most of the time the electrolytic capacitors) which are given for a certain number of operating hours.
My TV, my PCs have been on a power strip for years, never had a PB.
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Macro » 08/12/22, 09:16

I have been powering off by cutting the line on our electronic washing machines for 20 years... never had any problems with that... The first had to be 18 years old (an occasion from Envie) the second (picked up in a parking lot abandoned following relocation) has been in place for 2 years and does not complain about the situation ... But if it happens, the Chinese mechanical programmer eats more current than the day before the machine : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 08/12/22, 14:05

Macro wrote:But if it happens, the Chinese mechanical programmer eats more current than the day before the machine : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:


You raise the question of "energy" home automation...which is supposed to save energy...which can be less than its own consumption... : Mrgreen:

Otherwise the calculation of nuclear equivalence is quite simple: there are 29.5 million households in France so to have the equivalent of a 1 GW nuclear reactor which will produce (when it is running): 1 * 0.85 * 8760 =7446 GWh = 7,446 TWh = 7 MWh...

This makes an average consumption over the year per household of 7 / (446 * 000) = 29.5 W.

(i.e. 253 kWh/year of "standby")...

On the instantaneous power, when the reactor is running without taking maintenance into account, we would be at 34W (1000 MW/29.5 Million households)...

So if each household in France has a basic consumption (all consumption combined...TV, smart radiators, home automation, IT, chromcast and alexa...) of barely 30W, we obtain the equivalent of a nuclear reactor!

29W or 34W is nothing at all in the age of connected objects!!
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Macro » 08/12/22, 14:27

Christophe wrote:
29W or 34W is nothing at all in the age of connected objects!!


shut up and pedal : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy: on the generator bike of I don't know who...
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Re: Consumption hidden washing machine




by Christophe » 08/12/22, 14:30

30W I do them without worries!

But we still haven't seen the video of his wife pedaling! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:
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