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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by Christophe » 28/11/19, 22:37

GuyGadebois wrote:one of the two creators of Siri


Siri and its equivalents (amazon echo, google home ...) is a very limited AI just a voice analysis and retranscription research ... at least officially ... (but some have certainly crack the code source or at least observed sent packets received ..)

For the moment I'm doing well of these shits!
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by sen-no-sen » 28/11/19, 22:43

izentrop wrote:And yet, in the face of our lack of action towards climate change, artificialisation remains the only way out for the survival of humanity : Twisted:


This is exactly what explains AW Gross: technology is creating a web around us, and long before it is able to emancipate itself from the human it will have us completely enslaved ...
Climate change is directly linked to the technological deployment, it has profoundly modified our world to which we must readapt.However this rehabilitation will soon be within the reach of our only genes, the changes are far too fast we must now readapt through technology, even to bring it back into our body.That is the vision technologist.De that point of view there (I hope that alternatives wiser will come to compete!) We can say that we have already lost the party and that without Skynet or a T-1000 is not pointed the end of are processor.
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by GuyGadebois » 28/11/19, 22:53

They're in the middle of science fiction, the guys ... One says it'll be our lifeblood, the other says it's going to be our loss. Personally, I think that the whole system will have imploded before we can verify your statements, it only holds by painting!
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by izentrop » 29/11/19, 01:13

sen-no-sen wrote:izentrop wrote:
"And yet, faced with our non-action towards climate change, artificialization remains the only way out for the survival of humanity".

This is exactly what AW Gross explains: technology is creating a web around us, and long before it is able to emancipate itself from the human it will have enslaved us ...
It reverses the role:
Technology has made life comfortable for a growing part of humanity since the industrial era ...
But in the 70s, in high places we already knew that we lived in a land with limits ... Instead, "we" blindly played always more.
It's the man and his egocentrism the problem, not the technology.

Example to feed the planet, roughly:
Today, even if we stop burning fossils, the overflow of CO2 in the atmosphere will make agriculture more and more difficult (in our regions: increasingly dry summers, more and more rainy winter ), dependent on a growing technology to be able to continue to produce ... permaculture and bio have not proved their effectiveness.
sen-no-sen wrote:the changes being too fast we will now have to readapt ourselves through technology, even if it means getting it back into our body.
They are too fast for biodiversity. Olivier Barau says it: man leaves no room for life on earth. We have the solutions, just leave a small part of the territory, wildlife areas in corridors where the man would not have the right to set foot there, not even a hunter, a walker or a chainsaw . Only one place is like this: Chernobyl.

Should we wish for a nuclear war to get there?
When the glaciers have melted, many valleys will have dramatic periods without water. We see more and more temperatures exceeding the 40 °, temperature or photosynthesis no longer works, dixit Dominique Bourg.
sen-no-sen wrote: this rehabilitation will soon be out of reach of our only genes
It's not a problem, technology can work miracles. : Wink:
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by GuyGadebois » 29/11/19, 10:52

izentrop wrote: We have the solutions, just leave a small part of the territory, wildlife areas in corridors where the man would not have the right to set foot there, not even a hunter, a walker or a chainsaw . Only one place is like this: Chernobyl.

Chernobyl is for me the brilliant symbol of the forces of nature at work here below. Certainly, radioactivity is a nightmare, certainly, animals and plants that are resuming to proliferate in the region are perhaps less robust and more subject to certain mutations and / or degenerative diseases (well known scientists who measure the impacts of radioactivity on the living) BUT, these forces are expressing themselves there in an extraordinary way because the man N'Y FOUT PLUS THE FEET!
Disaster-human-natural / Chernobyl-nature-again-she-already-its-rights-t14571-150.html? Hilit = Chernobyl # p364884
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by sen-no-sen » 29/11/19, 11:20

izentrop wrote:It reverses the role:
Technology has made life comfortable for a growing part of humanity since the industrial era ...
But in the 70s, in high places we already knew that we lived in a land with limits ... Instead, "we" blindly played always more.
It's the man and his egocentrism the problem, not the technology.


This argument has already been widely used by realistic ecology, namely this human tendency to insatiability.If actually our biology (read The Human Bug de Sebastien Bohler) has exponential-oriented tendencies, the fact remains that its trends can only be deployed within a system.
There would be no consumerism without an uninterrupted chain of complex machinery and marketing strategies, so I hammer this theorem:human behavior unfolds within a given architecture.
It does not have much to do with our egocentrism. If you grow up with the Amish in a sober culture you will become sober, if you grew up in a consumerist culture you will have a consumerist behavior directly or indirectly, ego inordinate or not.

We have the solutions, just leave a small part of the territory, wildlife areas in corridors where the man would not have the right to set foot there, not even a hunter, a walker or a chainsaw . Only one place is like this: Chernobyl.


Not the biosphere is a living whole, it is not enough to leave some small space in fallow.Ex the Amazonian forest, if too much was to be deforested the climate induced by vegetation would upset and it would lead to accelerated desertification of the whole, we do not negotiate with nature.
There are fortunately uninhabited areas of the world (formerly Siberian Taiga) and still largely preserved, but for how long?

It's not a problem, technology can work miracles.


Technology is a good servant but a cruel mistress.
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by GuyGadebois » 29/11/19, 11:29

sen-no-sen wrote:This argument has already been widely used by realistic ecology, namely this human tendency to insatiability.

Yes, in children. Then he grows up and becomes (normally) reasonable. It is only in certain immature and mentally ill individuals that we find this childish flaw. And as luck would have it, these crazy people are in charge. To speak only of the USA, for me "the Americans" are 8 years of mental age, cleverly initiated, maintained by the marketing and the incessant (boring) publicity which one finds everywhere, all the time.
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by Grelinette » 29/11/19, 14:02

Me, there is something that I do not understand in the AI: that it can handle billions of possibilities to choose the good, and I am told that there is already AI everywhere to help us, in starting with my smartphone that change the words of my sms (the con). If I do not blunder and do not re-read, some modified sms can cause serious consequences, especially when it's professional.

Like what, AI sometimes wastes time by taking unfortunate initiatives and makes mistakes with big consequences!

(read the errors of the AI ​​correctors, you will laugh at crying : Lol: )

https://www.buzzfeed.com/fr/tomschembri ... phone-a-eu
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by izentrop » 29/11/19, 14:13

sen-no-sen wrote:If you grow up with the Amish in a sober culture you will become sober, if you grew up in a consumerist culture you will have a consumerist behavior
Already it is not systematic.

Here! in the USA, in a country of the most consumerist, it is there that their communities doubles all the 20 years. On average 5 children per family, it takes at least that for the work of the fields and not to have too much old to feed and cure at home.
Their concept based on a monotheistic religion with strict rules works well because they are surrounded by consumers precisely. : Twisted:
The money they collect selling very expensive their productionallows them to buy land, where consumers can not.

In the middle ages they did not have that chance. They were hunted down and with global warming, do you think they will always have this protective aura? : Mrgreen:
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Re: IA: Google AlphaGo beats a champion of Go




by GuyGadebois » 29/11/19, 17:31

Grelinette wrote:Me, there is something that I do not understand in the AI: that it can handle billions of possibilities to choose the good, and I am told that there is already AI everywhere to help us, in starting with my smartphone that change the words of my sms (the con). If I do not blunder and do not re-read, some modified sms can cause serious consequences, especially when it's professional.

Like what, AI sometimes wastes time by taking unfortunate initiatives and makes mistakes with big consequences!

(read the errors of the AI ​​correctors, you will laugh at crying : Lol: )

https://www.buzzfeed.com/fr/tomschembri ... phone-a-eu

Your smartphone is just badly set.
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